Odd engine serial number--what engine is this?
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Odd engine serial number--what engine is this?
My '60 has motor casting number 3858180 which the Corvette Black Book states is a 1965 327, but also notes it's a "limited use" motor but not explaining what that means. Its serial number is odd--TI 029 FAH. Can anyone tell me the horsepower, etc., and where to find info? Tried many online engine decoder sites, but no luck.
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Closest I can come is FA used in 1969 on 327's. Sometimes an H is added to a two letter suffix indicating it came with a Holley carburetor however.
http://www.nastyz28.com/gm-chevy-cod...s-suffix-5.php
Block lists as a 64-67 327, 250-300hp. so it probably wouldn't fit the above suffix.
http://www.nastyz28.com/sbchevy/sblock.php
Good luck... GUSTO
http://www.nastyz28.com/gm-chevy-cod...s-suffix-5.php
Block lists as a 64-67 327, 250-300hp. so it probably wouldn't fit the above suffix.
http://www.nastyz28.com/sbchevy/sblock.php
Good luck... GUSTO
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My '60 has motor casting number 3858180 which the Corvette Black Book states is a 1965 327, but also notes it's a "limited use" motor but not explaining what that means. Its serial number is odd--TI 029 FAH. Can anyone tell me the horsepower, etc., and where to find info? Tried many online engine decoder sites, but no luck.
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10 29 = Oct 29 assembly date
I didn't check the FA part of the assembly suffix, but often times an H was added to indicate Holley carburetor.
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Most Chevrolet engines were made at either Flint MI or Tonawanda NY.
Corvette small blocks were all cast and assembled at the Flint engine plant. The exception was for a couple weeks in 65, when there was a strike at the Flint foundry. A few Tonawanda 327 blocks were sent to Flint for machining and assembly. These are the 180 blocks that are listed as "limited use".
Blocks assembled at Flint prior to 67, can be identified by a "F" prefix on the stamp pad, while Tonawanda used a "T" prefix. The limited use 180 blocks had a "F" prefix, since they were cast at Tonawanda, but assembled at Flint.
The T prefix in your engine stamping, identify's your engine as a passenger car 327, because it was assembled at Tonawanda. I029 is the engine's assembly date, October 29th (I was often substituted for a 1). The 180 was used for both 250 and 300 horse passenger car 327's, from 64-67.
The FAH I don't know about. There were no suffix codes that began with an "F", during the time the 180 block was in use. About the closest thing I can find is "EA", which is a 65 327/250 with a manual trans in Nova's and Chevelle's. I agree with the others here about an "H" indicating a Holley carb, but the 327/250 came with a Carter WCFB?
What's the casting date on the back of the block?
Corvette small blocks were all cast and assembled at the Flint engine plant. The exception was for a couple weeks in 65, when there was a strike at the Flint foundry. A few Tonawanda 327 blocks were sent to Flint for machining and assembly. These are the 180 blocks that are listed as "limited use".
Blocks assembled at Flint prior to 67, can be identified by a "F" prefix on the stamp pad, while Tonawanda used a "T" prefix. The limited use 180 blocks had a "F" prefix, since they were cast at Tonawanda, but assembled at Flint.
The T prefix in your engine stamping, identify's your engine as a passenger car 327, because it was assembled at Tonawanda. I029 is the engine's assembly date, October 29th (I was often substituted for a 1). The 180 was used for both 250 and 300 horse passenger car 327's, from 64-67.
The FAH I don't know about. There were no suffix codes that began with an "F", during the time the 180 block was in use. About the closest thing I can find is "EA", which is a 65 327/250 with a manual trans in Nova's and Chevelle's. I agree with the others here about an "H" indicating a Holley carb, but the 327/250 came with a Carter WCFB?
What's the casting date on the back of the block?
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Double check the numbers and also check the casting date of the block.
I suspect that you will find a casting date that works for the 1966 model year, and a engine code something like TI029 EAH.
If so, that is a 1966 327, 275 hp installed in a Chevelle or El Camino, and equipped with a Holly carburetor.
Regarding the carburetor type being coded into the engine code, 1966 is the only year that I can confirm that was done.
It had to do with what intake manifold was installed on the engine.
If it really is TI029 FAH, then I am lost.
I suspect that you will find a casting date that works for the 1966 model year, and a engine code something like TI029 EAH.
If so, that is a 1966 327, 275 hp installed in a Chevelle or El Camino, and equipped with a Holly carburetor.
Regarding the carburetor type being coded into the engine code, 1966 is the only year that I can confirm that was done.
It had to do with what intake manifold was installed on the engine.
If it really is TI029 FAH, then I am lost.
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Most Chevrolet engines were made at either Flint MI or Tonawanda NY.
Corvette small blocks were all cast and assembled at the Flint engine plant. The exception was for a couple weeks in 65, when there was a strike at the Flint foundry. A few Tonawanda 327 blocks were sent to Flint for machining and assembly. These are the 180 blocks that are listed as "limited use".
Blocks assembled at Flint prior to 67, can be identified by a "F" prefix on the stamp pad, while Tonawanda used a "T" prefix. The limited use 180 blocks had a "F" prefix, since they were cast at Tonawanda, but assembled at Flint.
The T prefix in your engine stamping, identify's your engine as a passenger car 327, because it was assembled at Tonawanda. I029 is the engine's assembly date, October 29th (I was often substituted for a 1). The 180 was used for both 250 and 300 horse passenger car 327's, from 64-67.
The FAH I don't know about. There were no suffix codes that began with an "F", during the time the 180 block was in use. About the closest thing I can find is "EA", which is a 65 327/250 with a manual trans in Nova's and Chevelle's. I agree with the others here about an "H" indicating a Holley carb, but the 327/250 came with a Carter WCFB?
What's the casting date on the back of the block?
Corvette small blocks were all cast and assembled at the Flint engine plant. The exception was for a couple weeks in 65, when there was a strike at the Flint foundry. A few Tonawanda 327 blocks were sent to Flint for machining and assembly. These are the 180 blocks that are listed as "limited use".
Blocks assembled at Flint prior to 67, can be identified by a "F" prefix on the stamp pad, while Tonawanda used a "T" prefix. The limited use 180 blocks had a "F" prefix, since they were cast at Tonawanda, but assembled at Flint.
The T prefix in your engine stamping, identify's your engine as a passenger car 327, because it was assembled at Tonawanda. I029 is the engine's assembly date, October 29th (I was often substituted for a 1). The 180 was used for both 250 and 300 horse passenger car 327's, from 64-67.
The FAH I don't know about. There were no suffix codes that began with an "F", during the time the 180 block was in use. About the closest thing I can find is "EA", which is a 65 327/250 with a manual trans in Nova's and Chevelle's. I agree with the others here about an "H" indicating a Holley carb, but the 327/250 came with a Carter WCFB?
What's the casting date on the back of the block?
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If it was in a car, it should have a 7-8 serial number derivative also, not just the engine ID and assy date on the stamp pad.
Limited use may have been for a boat, or stationary use like a generator or some other odd usage.
Doug
Limited use may have been for a boat, or stationary use like a generator or some other odd usage.
Doug
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Many thanks for all who responded. Seems I might have a mild 327 installed. What can I do to the motor to give it the performance of my '66 327/300?
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Well, originally it was a 283 so even a mild 327 isn't bad. I don't think there was a lot of difference between the 327/275 and the 327/300 motors. I thought most of the difference was which car the basic motor was installed in and exhaust system restriction.
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Legislation forced VIN derivatives on all major components (engine / transmission) by 1969, but VIN derivatives were not put on a lot of low to medium performance engines through the mid 1960s.
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Many thanks for all who responded. Seems I might have a mild 327 installed. What can I do to the motor to give it the performance of my '66 327/300?
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what is the LIST number on the carb because if it is the original carb to the engine I can tell you what engine the carb is from. the LIST number is on the front of the choke housing
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FYI...
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If you really have a 327 block, the best place to start would be to have the 327/300 heads and carburetor.
What is on your engine now?
The '60 uses a 2" exhaust while the '66 used 2 1/2" pipes and mufflers but I don't think that will hurt you.
For the nit pickers............. Yeah, I know the '66 used 2" manifolds with 2 1/2" pipes.
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If it's a '66 block, it will have a boss for mounting the road draft tube at the rear of the block, A '69 block won't have this.
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Right now it has the 2x4 setup, but in a bad state of tune (just bought the car). But I'm concerned that even if I put an Edelbrock Performer and single 600 Edelbrock carb it still might not have the pep of the '66. Thinking of replacing the motor with a Crate 350/325 HP 291P while changing the radiator and adding Vintage Air.
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Right now it has the 2x4 setup, but in a bad state of tune (just bought the car). But I'm concerned that even if I put an Edelbrock Performer and single 600 Edelbrock carb it still might not have the pep of the '66. Thinking of replacing the motor with a Crate 350/325 HP 291P while changing the radiator and adding Vintage Air.
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