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Old 07-23-2017, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tbarb
How much timing and vacuum advance
Try to move the fuel supply line off the intake manifold
Lower the float level front and back one turn clockwise to see if that helps
Take a look at the gaps around the radiator and core support so the fan pulls air through the radiator
Take a look at the coolant level, keep it up on the high side of the expansion tank and check your tank cap so it really is a 15lb cap.

How old is the radiator
Timing is 12 and 36
Moving fuel line would be difficult, trying other approaches first.
Electric fan has shroud that completely seals to entire radiator surface.
Had the same thought about coolant and just raised it after last drive.
Cap is fairly new and verified as 15 lb....remember, it's not really overheating, no puking never gets over 210.

When I first did this motor/fan configuration, the fan would stay on after the key was turned off IF the temp was over 180*. I was worried about draining the battery so added a relay to prevent that and now I'm going to reverse that change and see what happens. I'll carry a jump pack just in case!
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Originally Posted by rene-paul
My 2 cents; We are fighting two types of heat, conductive and convective. Isolating the carb from the manifold helps control the conductive heat. Convective is different and difficult. Air movement in and out of the engine compartment will reduce the absorbed heat of the shield. Nothing is static, air wise, in the eng compartment. I leave my hood unlatched on my 63 base eng here in Kona, Hawaii. Sea level is very different than driving south and getting to 1200 ft in a few minutes. The 63 and 64 does not have open gills on the side fenders either. No one size fitsall.
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Originally Posted by davekp78
Actually we are also fighting radiant heat from the intake manifold. I think it is the worse of the three.
Originally Posted by wmf62
take out the bottom of the splash pans, that will help dump hot air

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I recall that someone somewhere made louvered lower splash pans. Anybody can help with my fast depleting memory??

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Holistically, three types of heat are encountered, conductive, convective, and radiative. Hard to say which is more important to attenuate, and under what conditions.

For conductive, I agree that an insulating material like a phenolic or fiberglass should slow down direct contact heat transfer. That's about all you can do about conduction. Inconel is really no better than iron or aluminum, as it is Nickel-Chromium-Iron alloy - expensive and pretty (a little tedious to work), but only marginally different from any common metal. There are differences about what you can do attenuate each.

For convective, you have to consider both heat rising up through the intake manifold into the carb venturis (when the engine is stopped, at least one intake valve will always be open, probably more, and the core of all the engine heat is open to the carb's guts - no practical way to attenuate). Plus the top of the engine, including things like hot exhaust manifolds/headers, outside of the heat riser on the intake and the mass of the engine block and heads conducting heat to the intake which then convects to the carb, and on it goes.

For radiative, I would argue that this would be the lesser of the three and probably pretty much ignore - or let the actions taken for conduction and convection help what little that they can.

For convection, I would consider the following, most of which have been discussed here:

Use a "Turkey Pan" like the big block AC Cobras - ugly but effective, just find a way to get some cold air in there. If the outside of the turkey pan was covered in radiation-attenuating material, that would be even better. As ugly as the turkey pan setup is, it seems apparent that Shelby found this to the only practical solution to heat in a Cobra engine bay.

Pop your hood while driving and standing still.

Make sure your cooling system is dead nuts on.

If the car is hot when you stop, let it idle until temps drop, unless idling makes it worse.

Block the intake manifold cross-over.

Wrap exhaust manifolds. These may be the biggest heat sources after shutdown (I would check this with an infrared thermometer).

Wrap the fuel lines from the pump to the carb intake fitting.

Maintain your carb in a highly polished reflective state of finish.

Consider every way to get conductive air to flow through your engine compartment.

Just some random thoughts.
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The only comment I would make is that heat transfer through radiation is an issue where distances are close since it's a fourth power function and in this case, that's the fuel bowls and even more critical, the accel pump housing. That's what most all conventional heat shields try to address as did I with my G10 insulator.

Once a non-conductive spacer is under the carb, addressing the convection heat transfer is the remaining action as you state. Doubtful I'll go with the turkey pan route so I'll try leaving my fan to run after the car is stopped and key off and see how I fare.

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Originally Posted by 65air_coupe
The only comment I would make is that heat transfer through radiation is an issue where distances are close since it's a fourth power function and in this case, that's the fuel bowls and even more critical, the accel pump housing. That's what most all conventional heat shields try to address as did I with my G10 insulator.

Once a non-conductive spacer is under the carb, addressing the convection heat transferis the remaining action as you state. Doubtful I'll go with the turkey pan route so I'll try leaving my fan to run after the car is stopped and key off and see how I fare.
You make a good argument on the radiative heat.

How about a combination of a phenolic spacer combined with a "partial turkey pan", say a sheet of aluminum under the carb that hides under the air cleaner? the front and back area shielding blocking the intake heat and the sides blocking the sides of the intake and the exhausts?

The fellow in Ohio I bought my engine block from, a life-long engine builder and machinist, had an all original '59 fuelie Corvette, with only one mod - he had built and installed a small aluminum shield that fit between the intake valley and intake runners. He swore that was all it took to fix any heat problems in that car.
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Is your vacuum advance working at idle, how much total idle timing.
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Originally Posted by tbarb
Is your vacuum advance working at idle, how much total idle timing.
Yes and 12* plus the vac can which I believe is a B28.



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