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Old 11-11-2017, 12:10 PM
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If I just couldn't pass up buying a yellow car, I would drop it off at the paint shop on the way home, so actually the new color has as much bearing on the situation as the plate, and repro plates are cheaper than paint jobs.

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Old 11-11-2017, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeM
Do they give different color ribbons in that class to distinguish good, better, best?
Yes, there are two Divisions. A Stock Division and a Modified Division. I believe there are two judging awards in each division. (Like 1st Flight, 2nd Flight depending on number of points received) Stock or Modified is based on exterior overall look.
Concours Judging began in January 2017 at the Florida Regional. I'm sure they are still learning.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
Do they give different color ribbons in that class to distinguish good, better, best?
Atta boy, Mike!
Old 11-11-2017, 12:41 PM
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Does a $25,000 paint job get a different color ribbon than a $5,000 paint job? Either type judging? I want to spend my money wisely, not just blow it on the color of ribbon I get.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
Does a $25,000 paint job get a different color ribbon than a $5,000 paint job? Either type judging? I want to spend my money wisely, not just blow it on the color of ribbon I get.
Sorry Mike...it takes $26,995. to get a blue ribbon.
Old 11-11-2017, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeM
Do they give different color ribbons in that class to distinguish good, better, best?
I found this in the following thread.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...akeland-2.html


The total points available are 2,200 for all 4 sections, plus operations. There are two levels of award in each class. Just like the flight system, if you score 94% or better, of the 2,200, you receive a "427" Concours award. Then there is the "327" Concours ribbon/certificate for 83% to 93%.


I have not seen this type of judging done. It was done as a "trial run" at Lakeland last year. Other than that, I know nothing.
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The best part of finally being financially secure is that I don’t have to “cheap out” on things like paint jobs, oil changes and batteries. I do not feel the need to endlessly argue that my Ray Charles paint job is as good as one done by a real pro.

And even, better ?
I don’t feel compelled to disparage anyone that spends even more than me.
Ahhhh. Life is good.

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Old 11-11-2017, 01:33 PM
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So far we only have two opinions in dollars of the hit this car would take. $10K+ and $15K for the paint. Actually, the fair way to do it would be by percentage of value to a like car in the correct color. After all, it makes less difference the lower the price of the car is. It cost the same amount to do a like type paint job on a 1966 Impala 4 dr. and nobody is going to ding that car for the same replacement cost of the paint.

I knew when I started this thread there would be a lot of (as always) different opinions but I did not expect it to take this turn. Probably my fault for not clarifying my request for dollar value and NOT judging points. I know the cost of a quality paint job done correctly (taking the car apart and stripping it) will vary somewhat throughout the country but I don't think the hit for the exterior color should be that much anyway. To some it will make no difference if they like the car and the color. OTOH, for someone that wants a truly correct car to the numbers they would likely have to factor in the cost of rectifying the paint and possibly the seat covers.

As I stated previously, I have to consider this even if I like the current color because if I decide to sell it later I will certainly be beat up over it buy the next potential buyers.
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I said changing Yel to Red should add $10,0000
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You asked about a specific color change on a specific car. So of course you got answers in dollars since the quality of the car in question isn’t described.

$15k of $100,000 is 15%; $15k of $50,000 is 30%.
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Originally Posted by Bill Pilon

and repro plates are cheaper than paint jobs.

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They might be cheaper, but repro trim tags will open up a real can of worms.

You can spot a repro tag pretty easily, and then you've got major problems trying to sell it, as it will present even more problems for the educated buyer. Most will walk away from a repro tag.
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
You asked about a specific color change on a specific car. So of course you got answers in dollars since the quality of the car in question isn’t described.

$15k of $100,000 is 15%; $15k of $50,000 is 30%.
Actually I did comment on it in post #8 and below is a copy and paste of my comment so you don't have to go back to it. Also I will say that the owners asking price is nearly $70K. If you use 20% for the paint deduction as is my opinion your price of $15K is very close. I would just like more to weigh in on it if I am going to use it for ammo in negotiating on the car so it is not just one or two men's opinion.

"Owner says original engine, trans, rear. 327/350 4 speed, leather but not coded for it. Repo side exhaust and KO wheels, PS, PB (not original MC) and PW. Body off resto 1500 miles ago. Nice car."
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If I was the owner I would not deduct anything, if you don't like don't buy
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Originally Posted by LT-1 kid
If I was the owner I would not deduct anything, if you don't like don't buy
Truer words were never spoken. Why does there always have to be a deduct for some feature that is not like the book explains?

Some of you guys will be counting your money when you die. If you don't spend it all on foolishness first.

I thought this was a hobby, not a used car/banking business.


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I'm with Don. I say changing yellow to red adds value. $10,000 if it's very well done.

Certainly there are those that won't buy a color changed car. But there are a lot of people that don't care what the trim tag says, and a lot more people like red than yellow. And I like yellow.

It has to be a great paint job. If it is, and you like the car, just get it.
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That is exactly why it's called "Resale Red"!
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Originally Posted by Chuck Gongloff
They might be cheaper, but repro trim tags will open up a real can of worms.

You can spot a repro tag pretty easily, and then you've got major problems trying to sell it, as it will present even more problems for the educated buyer. Most will walk away from a repro tag.
That would certainly be the inexpensive way to "fix" it and when you think about since it is now painted an original color offered for 1966 it would really be no different than what Chevrolet would have done when it was new but that does not make it the right thing to do. And BTW there are people out there that CAN make an undetectable repo tag. This is why I continue to harp on the fact that we often don't really know what we are looking at or buying anymore these days.

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Originally Posted by 68hemi

And BTW there are people out there that CAN make an undetectable repo tag. This is why I continue to harp on the fact that we often don't really know what we are looking at or buying anymore these days.
I would like to see photos of those "undetectable" trim tags.
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Detectable or not, trim plates should be left alone.
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Absolutely. Change colors to anything you want but keep your rat claws off the Trim and VIN plates.


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