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Old 12-12-2017, 08:58 AM
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Is it possible that a previous owner put in the wrong T/O bearing? Chevy made one for the Corvette and one for pass. cars. I made that mistake and my car would not shift into first when the car got up to operating temp. Jerry
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Is it possible that a previous owner put in the wrong T/O bearing? Chevy made one for the Corvette and one for pass. cars. I made that mistake and my car would not shift into first when the car got up to operating temp. Jerry
Did not know about that but it won't go into 1st cold now. I tried it last night.
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Originally Posted by Bluestripe67
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Also , clutch fork boot , if not fitted into bell housing completely, will restrict movement , as car warms up.....restrictions will come into effect with shifting and clutch not releasing so you can go into first.

If it will not go into first cold, there must be some restriction in the shifter or linkage...if you can shift tranny manually (moving levers) and they go through the gears...the problem may be in the linkage (rods or shift parts hitting).

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Old 12-12-2017, 11:17 AM
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Put it in first gear to the point it doesn't feel 'in' go under the car and unhook the first gear linkage. See if the linkage [shifter] will easily move forward [as in engaging first gear 'deeper']

See if the first gear lever on the transmission easily goes deeper with the shift rod off...

This should isolate if the issue is the shifter or internal transmission.

I had a '69 when I was a kid that frustrated me so much I pulled the 4 speed and put an automatic in it...[mistake]
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Originally Posted by Jackfit
Also , clutch fork boot , if not fitted into bell housing completely, will restrict movement , as car warms up.....restrictions will come into effect with shifting and clutch not releasing so you can go into first.

If it will not go into first cold, there must be some restriction in the shifter or linkage...if you can shift tranny manually (moving levers) and they go through the gears...the problem may be in the linkage (rods or shift parts hitting).

Jack
to the best of my knowledge there never was an OEM clutch fork boot

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Originally Posted by wmf62
to the best of my knowledge there never was an OEM clutch fork boot

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All 64 -67 c-2 s have them

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I am confident that we have eliminated hot vs. cold as a condition for this situation.
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Originally Posted by jv04
I am confident that we have eliminated hot vs. cold as a condition for this situation.
Karkraftr hit the nail on the head....

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Originally Posted by Jackfit
Karkraftr hit the nail on the head....

Jack
As did Bill in post #17.

Thanks to all for the suggestions.
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Originally Posted by Jackfit
All 64 -67 c-2 s have them

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I stand corrected, it's C1s that don't have a boot

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Do you have "pipe hangers?"

The linkage on my '64 with a Hurst would hit the pipe hanger when putting it in reverse, basically causing the same problem, but in reverse.

The PO had removed the pipe hangers..., and I know why. I just ground away the offending area of the hanger.

I've not heard of this problem in 1st, but... This also plays into the possible "heat aspect."

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A good, solid OEM shifter is looking pretty good right now, eh?

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I've put 6-8 Hurst shifters in various cars over the years and never had these persistent problems. My 63 is on the lift right now -- Muncie tranny and Hurst shifter.

If there are any pics I can take that would help the OP....he just needs to ask.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
A good, solid OEM shifter is looking pretty good right now, eh?

Mike

other than the annoying 'rattle', I preferred the easy shifting Muncie shifter in my 1st 65 as opposed to the stiffness of the hurst I put in my 2nd 65.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
A good, solid OEM shifter is looking pretty good right now, eh?

That is becoming more and more like Plan B
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Originally Posted by toddalin
Do you have "pipe hangers?"

The linkage on my '64 with a Hurst would hit the pipe hanger when putting it in reverse, basically causing the same problem, but in reverse.

The PO had removed the pipe hangers..., and I know why. I just ground away the offending area of the hanger.

I've not heard of this problem in 1st, but... This also plays into the possible "heat aspect."
Not a hot vs. cold issue, we have eliminated that aspect of it. IT is persistent regardless of temperature now.
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Originally Posted by toddalin
Do you have "pipe hangers?"

The linkage on my '64 with a Hurst would hit the pipe hanger when putting it in reverse, basically causing the same problem, but in reverse.

The PO had removed the pipe hangers..., and I know why. I just ground away the offending area of the hanger.

I've not heard of this problem in 1st, but... This also plays into the possible "heat aspect."
No, this is not an issue. IT was, and may once again, be hitting the cross member. The shifter lever internal to the shifter body was hitting the cross member as the shifter was put into 1st.

The handle moves forward, which means that the lever in the shifter pivots rearward (and hits the cross member).

The original transmission mount was 1/4 to short. IT has been replaced by a correct transmission mount, but I have not had a chance to investigate the issue yet.

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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
I've put 6-8 Hurst shifters in various cars over the years and never had these persistent problems. My 63 is on the lift right now -- Muncie tranny and Hurst shifter.

If there are any pics I can take that would help the OP....he just needs to ask.
Frankie (and others) I would be very interested in any pictures of the hurst shifter and clearance of the internal shift levers to the cross member.
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Originally Posted by jv04
Frankie (and others) I would be very interested in any pictures of the hurst shifter and clearance of the internal shift levers to the cross member.
I’ll get some tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by jv04
Frankie (and others) I would be very interested in any pictures of the hurst shifter and clearance of the internal shift levers to the cross member.
My 65 BB roadster has one with zero issues. Let me know if you want specific pics.


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