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Old 02-24-2018, 01:01 PM
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I'm thinking of buying this car from Gateway and need some help evaluating it from seasoned C2 folks. Before I hop on a plane and spend $ to have it inspected, is there anything glaring in the pics/video that should scare me away? I can see that the ride height is off and the passenger side tailpipe is missing. Other than that, I'm not sure. Please take a look, especially of the underside and let me know what you think. Does anyone have experience dealing with Gateway?

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http://www.gatewayclassiccars.com/LO...vette-stingray
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Looks like the paint is checking in several places and somebody has changed it over to disc brakes. There are more little things but those are the big things I see.
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As stated the paint is in very bad shape. Wrong radiator, driver side exhaust manifold is 63, wrong master cylinder, looks like passenger side tail pipe is missing, and when he did a small rev of the engine there was a lot of smoke out of the right side. The pictures of the underside are not very good. And it’s hard to evaluate the body panels without him showing good pictures of the under side of frame and body when it is not on a lift.

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Wrong master cyl, should not have disc brakes, poor paint, wrong gas door, back panel need work, wrong water pump, didn't see any pictures of pad. Check to see if a 64 frame??
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It’s been my experience with 63-4 Daytona Blue Cars that the interiors do not normally come in black. The few I’ve seen have all been changed for some reason.


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Looking at the trim tag, the interior code is 490 J which I think is blue.

I also see a ‘66 glove box door. Why?

I think it’s odd to change an interior color and parts on a car like this. Look closer.

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To my way of thinking there is no good reason to travel to see a basic 64 coupe (L76 though it is) priced in the 50s at a consignment dealer. Too easy to do much better on 64-66s all over the country. With APB (all painted black) underbody, and color change interior this one is nothing special on a good day. Keep looking is my advice. And post your location under your user name.
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Originally Posted by 65hihp
To my way of thinking there is no good reason to travel to see a basic 64 coupe (L76 though it is) priced in the 50s at a consignment dealer. Too easy to do much better on 64-66s all over the country. With APB (all painted black) underbody, and color change interior this one is nothing special on a good day. Keep looking is my advice. And post your location under your user name.
Also when I was looking for a car last Feb. I called them on a few cars. I was not impressed to say the least. I got little info and seldom a returned phone call. Not very Corvette knowledgeable sales people. Also the owner of a local car that I had called about a couple of months ago (when looking for a C3 that I eventually ended up buying one here on the forum) listed his car with them. It is a very nice car and they took about 100 pictures of it and I found it funny that in all of those pictures there is NOT ONE of the trim tag that shows the car was color changed and no mention of it in the description. That alone should tell you something about these guys.
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Great info, thanks all. How can I tell if it is a "64 frame?
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Originally Posted by Blockervee
Great info, thanks all. How can I tell if it is a "64 frame?

Why bother? I would just pass on this car, there are too many good cars out there for sale right now to deal with a car with so many issues.

You need to start looking at the current pages of this thread and at the for sale section of this forum.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-for-sale.html

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If I could get the car for $45K, would that make this car a good purchase given the issues brought up above? The interior color change and inability to evaluate the frame, underside and body panels has me a little spooked though.

Thanks again for all you help.
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Gateway is primarily a consignment dealer, with multiple locations. Its very likely the sellers there are not Corvette Specialists because they don't even own the car for sale, let alone know anything about them. This does not make them sinister, but understand that they probably dont know the answers to the questions you should be asking, and likely have a price point that builds in money for the owners and the consignment company.

Its not impossible to buy there, but understand the parameters.
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Originally Posted by Blockervee
Great info, thanks all. How can I tell if it is a "64 frame?
If you shop in the future for a 63-4, its relatively easy to look at where the frame crosses under the engine and see if there's a "depression" there. (Ill look for a photo) The depression was started in 1965 for the required extra room for the big block engine. 63-4 cars do not have one.

Its not the end of the world to buy a car with a replacement frame, but you should not pay original frame prices for it.
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Originally Posted by Vettebuyer6369
Gateway is primarily a consignment dealer, with multiple locations. Its very likely the sellers there are not Corvette Specialists because they don't even own the car for sale, let alone know anything about them. This does not make them sinister, but understand that they probably dont know the answers to the questions you should be asking, and likely have a price point that builds in money for the owners and the consignment company.

Its not impossible to buy there, but understand the parameters.
Yes, and as I alluded to in my previous post above they will OMIT information that they are aware of that can make a HUGH difference in the price of the car. You are also paying an additional 12% for the car compared to buying it directly from the owner as that is what Gateway charges.
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in theri youtube vids they claim they own all their cars outright

Looks like an older resto, not bad but not 50k nice. Mechanical condition is a big ? on cars like this.

Agree with questions not being answered..they may not know specifics & know many impulse buy. Sometimes they simply havent had or driven them enough to know either

Guy on the Chevelle forum bought a "67 SS" from there one hell of a nightmare. Like real bad

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Originally Posted by blockervee
if i could get the car for $45k, would that make this car a good purchase?
imho, NO!
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Oh for goodness sakes blockervee, you're in So CAL. Rid yourself of the notion of flying back east to buy a nondescript 64 coupe with issues from a consignment shop. If you must deal with a dealer, stay local. You have good ones in Orange County, and down in San Diego. Make maximum effort to buy a CAL or Southwest car if at all possible. pm if you need more advice
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It took me three years and several goose chases to find my dream corvette. Take your time, do your homework and be patient. There are some good midyears out there, but it takes time and knowledge to get a good one.
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I'm skeptical of the engine since there were no photos of the block stamp pad.
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Originally Posted by 65hihp
To my way of thinking there is no good reason to travel to see a basic 64 coupe (L76 though it is) priced in the 50s at a consignment dealer. Too easy to do much better on 64-66s all over the country. With APB (all painted black) underbody, and color change interior this one is nothing special on a good day. Keep looking is my advice. And post your location under your user name.


Take a look at this thread of if you haven't already.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c1-and-c2-corvettes/3547006-opinions-on-these-c1-c2-for-sale.html


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