C1/C2 NCRS Vintage Air deductions
03-16-2018, 06:42 PM
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You guys that sweat a lot and have to screw up your judging points by adding AC could move to a better climate and better scenery. Save money as well.
03-16-2018, 06:43 PM
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it's heck to get old... got to have a/c, PS, cruise control, etc...; haven't got to the point of needing/wanting AT, but the day may come...
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it's heck to get old... got to have a/c, PS, cruise control, etc...; haven't got to the point of needing/wanting AT, but the day may come...
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03-16-2018, 06:50 PM
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2023 C2 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
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03-16-2018, 06:57 PM
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As far as AT, I was facing that prospect. My choice was either knee surgery or an automatic. Got a new knee last April.
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03-16-2018, 07:00 PM
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When I was in my 30s like Nowhere Man I didn't give two hoots about A/C...even up into the 80s. My 84 S-10 pickup had no A/C. Now I'm older and wiser...
03-16-2018, 07:19 PM
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03-16-2018, 07:22 PM
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03-16-2018, 07:33 PM
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According to JohnZ over in the ‘barn find L89” thread, a 409 in an otherwise perfect C2,would be a minimum 525 point deduction. So 300 points for add on aftermarket AC doesnt seem too far proportionally out of line.
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03-16-2018, 07:35 PM
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03-16-2018, 09:27 PM
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03-16-2018, 09:49 PM
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To add to what John stated, there would also be an additional 3 points for the missing compressor on condition. Since it's missing you deduct all condition points as well
03-16-2018, 09:49 PM
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I am not one bit surprised. I fact I have no problem with a correctly done "restoration engine"as long as it is represented as "matching numbers" rather than the "original" engine. It takes much more time and money to properly reproduce this type of engine and the only difference in it from an "original" is that it was not assembled years ago in a GM plant by a union GM employee.
I think the individual deductions for casting numbers, dates and stamping are fair. Also a repo engine or date code correct engine is much more of an original type feature than a blatant aftermarket air product. You can't eat your cake and still have it. If you want to play in the originality field then you can't have aftermarket items that bare no resemblance to original parts.
I think the individual deductions for casting numbers, dates and stamping are fair. Also a repo engine or date code correct engine is much more of an original type feature than a blatant aftermarket air product. You can't eat your cake and still have it. If you want to play in the originality field then you can't have aftermarket items that bare no resemblance to original parts.
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03-17-2018, 06:21 AM
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If any of mine had factory AC or even add on AC, I wouldn't like it very much. Never did on the old ones. Just something in the way.
If you want to have a car for judging, play by the rules. If yo don't like the rules, you can always sell the car and buy one that matches the rules. Or change the rules.
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03-17-2018, 06:54 AM
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Nah! I mostly just sit and look at my old cars. Don't drive them much anymore whether it's hot, cold, warm or cool.
If any of mine had factory AC or even add on AC, I wouldn't like it very much. Never did on the old ones. Just something in the way.
If you want to have a car for judging, play by the rules. If yo don't like the rules, you can always sell the car and buy one that matches the rules. Or change the rules.
If any of mine had factory AC or even add on AC, I wouldn't like it very much. Never did on the old ones. Just something in the way.
If you want to have a car for judging, play by the rules. If yo don't like the rules, you can always sell the car and buy one that matches the rules. Or change the rules.
A group of folks whose cars were treated fairly mildly for a modification during judging for years have now had an exclusory action taken to make the same cars unable to take top honors.
So, when do the threads start on removing Vintage Air A/C and finding/installing an original heater box
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03-17-2018, 06:58 AM
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Nah! I mostly just sit and look at my old cars. Don't drive them much anymore whether it's hot, cold, warm or cool.
If any of mine had factory AC or even add on AC, I wouldn't like it very much. Never did on the old ones. Just something in the way.
If you want to have a car for judging, play by the rules. If yo don't like the rules, you can always sell the car and buy one that matches the rules. Or change the rules.
If any of mine had factory AC or even add on AC, I wouldn't like it very much. Never did on the old ones. Just something in the way.
If you want to have a car for judging, play by the rules. If yo don't like the rules, you can always sell the car and buy one that matches the rules. Or change the rules.
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03-17-2018, 07:00 AM
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Or play 'catch up' as the rules are changed by others.
A group of folks whose cars were treated fairly mildly for a modification during judging for years have now had an exclusory action taken to make the same cars unable to take top honors.
So, when do the threads start on removing Vintage Air A/C and finding/installing an original heater box
A group of folks whose cars were treated fairly mildly for a modification during judging for years have now had an exclusory action taken to make the same cars unable to take top honors.
So, when do the threads start on removing Vintage Air A/C and finding/installing an original heater box
the consequences of a moving target are unfortunately beyond our control; but I still think you did the right thing with the a/c.
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03-17-2018, 07:21 AM
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I started this whole thread with a tongue in cheek mindset:
- I'm happy with my regional Second Flight (TF would have been better of course)
- I have understood for years that modifications bring deductions
- I also understand the NCRS has precluded TFs for a certain class of modifications, I consider this a perjorative action but my opinion matters little; disagreeing with the level of deductions doesn't constitute "crying"
- I am happy with my A/C and don't regret installing it.
- I don't hate the NCRS although after years of waffling on this issue I commend them for codifying the deductions
That's about it, I'm not whining, trying to break any rules nor trying to bring down some hallowed social club by being an advocate for those devilish aftermarket A/C units.
I hope, with equal clarity, the NCRS understands that they have limited the number of cars that will appear for judging to some degree... These disenfranchised owners of otherwise original cars may now say to hell with it and make more mods drifting away from the 'factory' standard. Antithetical to the NCRS mission.
- I'm happy with my regional Second Flight (TF would have been better of course)
- I have understood for years that modifications bring deductions
- I also understand the NCRS has precluded TFs for a certain class of modifications, I consider this a perjorative action but my opinion matters little; disagreeing with the level of deductions doesn't constitute "crying"
- I am happy with my A/C and don't regret installing it.
- I don't hate the NCRS although after years of waffling on this issue I commend them for codifying the deductions
That's about it, I'm not whining, trying to break any rules nor trying to bring down some hallowed social club by being an advocate for those devilish aftermarket A/C units.
I hope, with equal clarity, the NCRS understands that they have limited the number of cars that will appear for judging to some degree... These disenfranchised owners of otherwise original cars may now say to hell with it and make more mods drifting away from the 'factory' standard. Antithetical to the NCRS mission.
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