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Old 07-10-2018, 06:47 PM
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He was working on a 57 T bird and the owner wanted keep all original engine parts so that it would be numbers matching. After examining all the parts, found out that the fuel intake is toast. His worker said if we replace the intake it will not be number matching. Count said yes it will as long the engine block is original. The intake, carb, starter, exhaust manifolds, etc do not count because they are accessories. WRONG, all those items go to the status of number matching, right.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:27 PM
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Depends on what the meaning of is - is.

But in a literal since - I would agree with you. But after major hard parts, then do you consider the fan belts, the radiator hoses, the air filter - all of which may have original part or product numbers impressed into them? That's why I decided a long time ago to forego the original numbers matching pursuit - sanity is too fleeting.
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He was working on a 57 T bird and the owner wanted keep all original engine parts so that it would be numbers matching. After examining all the parts, found out that the fuel intake is toast. His worker said if we replace the intake it will not be number matching. Count said yes it will as long the engine block is original. The intake, carb, starter, exhaust manifolds, etc do not count because they are accessories. WRONG, all those items go to the status of number matching, right.
There are date codes and casting numbers on the intake manifold which I would think apply to Ford's as well. A replacement manifold with the right date code and casting numbers from that era could be used and it would still be numbers matching. Anything replaced with the VIN like the engine block would be a different story. "Numbers matching" and "born with" topics lead to some interesting discussions. I'll hang out to see what others have to say.

Before declaring the "fuel intake" toast I would have a restorer take a look at it.
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I quit watching after about two episodes and the 113th use of the word "bro"....
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The only thing you can be sure of "numbers matching" is the numbers are the same no matter who put them there or when they were put there. It's kind of like the phrase "one owner" most all of the cars registered in the U.S. are one owner, the rest are owned by 2 or more people or are company owned.

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"Count," whoever he is, should not feel badly.. No one else knows what "matching numbers" means either.
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They ruin more cars in that show-I stopped watching.
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I like the Count. The rest of the crew is tough to take, especially the balding guy with the mohawk who does murals. I like the retro '70's 'day two' vans and the like that he does. I like candy pearl panel paint, lace, bass-boat metal-flake, Cragars, and big bias ply tires on vintage rods and vans. What he does to classic cars, like that '67 GTO? Not so much. Chrome that gets painted flat black looks like crap, I don't care who you are.
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My version of classic car hell is being stuck for eternity with that Mark Worman guy dancing lamely, Kindig’s sidekick smirking around in an over-sized ball cap, the loudmouth general manager of the late Boyd Coddington’s shop insulting everyone and the Count telling everyone,”....calm down Bro!” And someone in the background constantly counting down, “....3......2......1” while I’m having to wrestle Mike Brewer’s fat azz for a sub sandwich with Wayne Cassini quietly weeping in the background saying,”I don’t deserve this”

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Frankie, that's funny. Dennis
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink View Post
My version of classic car hell is being stuck for eternity with that Mark Worman guy dancing lamely, Kindig’s sidekick smirking around in an over-sized ball cap, the loudmouth general manager of the late Boyd Coddington’s shop insulting everyone and the Count telling everyone,”....calm down Bro!” And someone in the background constantly counting down, “....3......2......1” while I’m having to wrestle Mike Brewer’s fat azz for a sub sandwich with Wayne Cassini quietly weeping in the background saying,”I don’t deserve this”
This is absolutely hilarious....and right on the money. Except I would LOVE to drink 2 or 3 pots of coffee with Mark Worman and hang out in the back lot checking out all the junk cars. Worman is so exited at what he does he's beside himself....like a 5 year old. I approve of that. Kindig's sidekick 'kevdog', however, I can do without. And as stated by you earlier, pretty much ALL of those ex-hog-hunters with long beards, oversize ballcaps, and more tattoos than Jesse James' girlfriend have nothing for me. Ho Hum... I DO like the new Wheeler Dealers with Ant Amstead....he can hold his own, and the show moves right along, just like it used to. No Edd China one-liners, but what the hey....
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OK, I'll bite, who/what the heck is count?
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OK, I'll bite, who/what the heck is count?

Trust me, and most on this forum, you don’t want to know! Just another biker-wanna be car show host.
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Twenty years ago we watched Home Improvement for glimpses at the street rods Tim was building, because it was the only TV show with any car-related content. Now everyone is complaining about the proliferation of horrible car-focused reality shows on Velocity. At least we have a few good ones to watch on Velocity and Discovery, even if few and far between versus the garbage like FantomWorks and Counting Cars.

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OK, I'll bite, who/what the heck is count?
So nice I gotta post it twice:

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Originally Posted by SupremeDeluxe View Post
Twenty years ago we watched Home Improvement for glimpses at the street rods Tim was building, because it was the only TV show with any car-related content. Now everyone is complaining about the proliferation of horrible car-focused reality shows on Velocity. At least we have a few good ones to watch on Velocity and Discovery, even if few and far between versus the garbage like FantomWorks and Counting Cars.
You forgot about Chips...
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Originally Posted by DZAUTO View Post
OK, I'll bite, who/what the heck is count?
TV show about a guy (Danny Coker) who buys and ruins cars and the flips them.

Google Count’s Customs.

BTW, the people who open up their front door when he and his goons knock on it must not have a peep hole. I’d be locking the door, grabbing my personal protection, and dialing 911. In that order.

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As stated, numbers matching can mean anything you want but in this particular case, the owner of the car stated that he wanted to maintain all engine parts so the car would remain numbers matching.

Danny should have gone by his customer’s definition, not his own, and respected his customer’s request. I would have been pizzed.

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I find it odd that many complain how stupid these shows are but yet they know all the characters by name. I don't watch any of them. I would rather be in my shop actually building cars instead of sitting in front of a T.V. or on the computer all the time like some.
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