Ncrs judging on interior color change
08-05-2018, 04:57 AM
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Ncrs judging on interior color change
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I have a question in relation to a hypothetical interior trim color change on a 67 conv. Can someone please clarify a point in the NCRS judging manual guide.
It states " a 50% originality deduction on every interior item affected if it differs to the trim tag code"
So going from saddle trim as per my trim tag to a color change say all black pretty much affects all hard and soft interior.
How will this affect the judging? can you still achieve Top flight or 2nd TF ? Or does it knock you out of any contention.
Trying to balance originality with getting personal preference.
Thanks
I have a question in relation to a hypothetical interior trim color change on a 67 conv. Can someone please clarify a point in the NCRS judging manual guide.
It states " a 50% originality deduction on every interior item affected if it differs to the trim tag code"
So going from saddle trim as per my trim tag to a color change say all black pretty much affects all hard and soft interior.
How will this affect the judging? can you still achieve Top flight or 2nd TF ? Or does it knock you out of any contention.
Trying to balance originality with getting personal preference.
Thanks
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08-05-2018, 10:00 AM
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08-05-2018, 06:12 AM
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Hello down under, and welcome to the CF. NCRS has its own website, and technical discussion board for questions like this one. Also, there is a NCRS Chapter with very active members in Australia who would be more than happy to discuss all your flight judging related questions with you, and welcome you as a new member in their chapter.
As to your question, how will this affect judging? There will be a 50% originality deduction on every interior item affected if it differs to the trim tag code. You can download the Flight Judging score sheets from the NCRS website, and score your interior section yourself, taking a 50% originality deduction on every affected part, and add up the numbers. Deduct from 4510 and find out how many more you can lose in all other aspects of judging and still achieve 94% overall. Can you still make TF or 2nd Flight? Sure, if most other aspects of your car would judge with few if any deductions. And, you can always make up deduction points with driving mile bonus points by driving to your judging event.
Good luck,
As to your question, how will this affect judging? There will be a 50% originality deduction on every interior item affected if it differs to the trim tag code. You can download the Flight Judging score sheets from the NCRS website, and score your interior section yourself, taking a 50% originality deduction on every affected part, and add up the numbers. Deduct from 4510 and find out how many more you can lose in all other aspects of judging and still achieve 94% overall. Can you still make TF or 2nd Flight? Sure, if most other aspects of your car would judge with few if any deductions. And, you can always make up deduction points with driving mile bonus points by driving to your judging event.
Good luck,
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08-05-2018, 07:57 AM
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Its a big points hit numerically - if judging is in your future I'd hold off on the change...
You will enter the judging field with your car already shot in one kneecap and hoping nothing else is a big hit...
Not worth it...
You will enter the judging field with your car already shot in one kneecap and hoping nothing else is a big hit...
Not worth it...
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08-05-2018, 08:03 AM
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If top flight is your goal then don’t do it.
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08-05-2018, 09:16 AM
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Here's a link to the 63-67 Interior Judging sheets.
Deduct 50% originality for every upholstered, carpeted, painted, and vinyl covered item.
http://www.ncrs.org/njc/63-67%20Scor...20Interior.pdf
Deduct 50% originality for every upholstered, carpeted, painted, and vinyl covered item.
http://www.ncrs.org/njc/63-67%20Scor...20Interior.pdf
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08-05-2018, 09:25 AM
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Here's a link to the 63-67 Interior Judging sheets.
Deduct 50% originality for every upholstered, carpeted, painted, and vinyl covered item.
http://www.ncrs.org/njc/63-67%20Scor...20Interior.pdf
Deduct 50% originality for every upholstered, carpeted, painted, and vinyl covered item.
http://www.ncrs.org/njc/63-67%20Scor...20Interior.pdf
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08-05-2018, 10:47 AM
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I'll take my lumps for something if everyone else is accorded the same punitive, damnable, accursed, relegated to an NCRS second-class citizen, jack-booted, beat down...
This is me "moving on"...
Back on topic though.... I can't reason out the change from gorgeous saddle tan to a commonplace black interior; especially in the hot environment down under - judging notwithstanding... Does the exterior color of the car rankle with the saddle tan or what ?
This is me not "getting it"..
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08-05-2018, 10:48 AM
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Read it and weep. It will forever be referred to as the FTF deduction.https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...eductions.html
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just note NCRS judges cars on how they appeared in the show room floors, any deviation will result in point loss.
08-05-2018, 10:55 AM
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The question was about the magnitude of point loss for a particular situation - not if there were any at all.
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Frank we can muddy the waters real quick here. its my understanding its after dealer prep is how the car is judged.
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08-05-2018, 11:43 AM
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And here I thought you had claimed to be one of “them” nowadays - a genuine bonafide NCRS judge?
In the immortal words of Flip Wilson - “ Here come da judge, here come da judge....”
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Seems like this thread went off the OPs rails quickly.
I would agree with one earlier post that recommended getting it judged first with the OEM-colored interior, then claim the judging award and then change the interior color afterwards. Even if the saddle interior is tired, it would seem difficult to lose more points than by changing the color.
Alternately, if the interior is so bad, go ahead and change it out, take the penalty and claim "would have scored top flight but for the interior color deduction."
Not getting into why changing the saddle interior - your car.
And welcome from down under and g-day mate - great car culture down there.
I would agree with one earlier post that recommended getting it judged first with the OEM-colored interior, then claim the judging award and then change the interior color afterwards. Even if the saddle interior is tired, it would seem difficult to lose more points than by changing the color.
Alternately, if the interior is so bad, go ahead and change it out, take the penalty and claim "would have scored top flight but for the interior color deduction."
Not getting into why changing the saddle interior - your car.
And welcome from down under and g-day mate - great car culture down there.
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08-05-2018, 12:05 PM
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Personal preferences for interior color is as personal as exterior color. I was in a car dealer's showroom a few days ago, and was critical of all the cars there, most all of them, with a black interior. Not my preference at all and I was lamenting having to special order cars to get something other than black. The dealer looked at me funny, and said "90% of people who come in here want a black interior car, that is why we order so many". Good answer.
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