Help with 7 leaf spring installation
Bottom photo if you look closely you can see the bottom leaf is further forward a good half inch than the leaf above it.
I'm wondering if I need a new leaf spring.
Thanks.
Butch
S. Jersey





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Let us know if lifting a trailing arm lifts the chassis off the jack stands?
Install the shocks (as they limit the downward travel of the trailing arm to protect against binding the axle shaft u-joints).
My strut rods are made by Auto Pro USA.
I tried using a floor jack to jack up the spring and after a couple pumps it raised the car off the jack stands. There was no way to put the strut rods on. I did have them on before I
tried putting the spring on but that didn't work.
The bushings I have for the trail arm and spring link are poly. I bought poly because I ruined 3 of the nubs on the rubber ones.
I don't know if the strut rod bushings are rubber or poly.
Now here is something that could be of concern. 15 years ago when I took the back end a part I wanted to rebuild the trail arms. I could not get the bolt out of the
chassis and trail arm assembly. I had to chisel that welded part off where the trail arm bolt goes through. It's only about 1"x1". Had a new piece made and drilled
the center. I played with the area that piece goes before welding. It's a tight fit for the bolt. So when I found a spot that the bolt went easily through we welded it.
It's about 1/16 off from the other side. I myself don't think that makes a difference with the problems I'm having. I think had I corrected that 1/16 the bolt would
not have gone through. I had a welder who owns a welding shop do the work. He did a great job. Looks like the one on the other side.





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The 9-leaf spring should be close to a soft 190#/in rate, and near flat with the chassis weight on the tires (you are close to testing this).
I don't know if the trailing arm repair is promoting the spring alignment problem, but the angle of the axle shafts and trailing arms as shown are too extreme (a big part of the rest of the alignment problems).
You made it this far, so you may as well try to get the rest assembled, safely. If you cannot jack up the spring to flatten it out without raising the chassis you need to weight the chassis before going any further. Weight the chassis to make it stable on the jack stands, then jack the spring to flatten it out without lifting the chassis, to make it easy to move the trailing arm to complete the camber rod and shock assembly to the trailing arm with less angle on the axle shafts. Get the shocks installed, and the camber rods installed loose in whatever length works easiest with the axle shafts near level, and then adjust the camber with rod length changes after the chassis weight is on the spring.
The 9-leaf spring should be close to a soft 190#/in rate, and near flat with the chassis weight on the tires (you are close to testing this).
I don't know if the trailing arm repair is promoting the spring alignment problem, but the angle of the axle shafts and trailing arms as shown are too extreme (a big part of the rest of the alignment problems).
You made it this far, so you may as well try to get the rest assembled, safely. If you cannot jack up the spring to flatten it out without raising the chassis you need to weight the chassis before going any further. Weight the chassis to make it stable on the jack stands, then jack the spring to flatten it out without lifting the chassis, to make it easy to move the trailing arm to complete the camber rod and shock assembly to the trailing arm with less angle on the axle shafts. Get the shocks installed, and the camber rods installed loose in whatever length works easiest with the axle shafts near level, and then adjust the camber with rod length changes after the chassis weight is on the spring.
The shocks and struts will not be easy to install with the rear spring loaded................but it can be done. The Chevrolet Service Manual gives some advice on these tasks, but they also have the advantage of various full floor lifts (frame and drive on) to elevate the car to a decent working height both with wheels hanging and wheels supported. The installed rear spring will fight you all the way for these tasks. Although it is a minor point, I believe the large washers for each spring end cushion are upside down. It looks this way from your pictures, so check them. I incorrect, flip them around sometime if/when you get a chance. No big deal even if reversed.
Again, be careful tightening the four spring bolts to the rear axle cover plate, and make sure they are not too long and crack the case (blind holes). This tightening is done after the car is on it's wheels and the body is at it's normal ride height. Since you thought the threads were a bit "soft" on these bolts, I recommend you limit the torque applied.
Proper shocks for the rear have a maximum extension length of 14-1/4 inches measured from center of the end mounting bushings. This is to prevent the trailing arms from going too low and binding the trailing arm u-joints when driving the car. So measure what you have and plan to install, and keep the length to less than 14-1/4 inches to avoid future issues.
Good luck.
Larry
340HP and Powershift above posts are dead-nuts accurate regarding strut rods & shocks & attaching bolt torque procedure + bolt grip length & cushion retaining washer position.
Losing the aftermarket, off-shore spring & purchasing quality USA made unit (Eaton) might be well worth consideration. Note that your spring is 'single-stage' configuration in which all 9 leaves have free arch. This was a '63 only OEM feature ... '64 model year & later use two-stage 6/3 springs with the top 3 leaves flat, bottom 6 with arch for less "jouncy" ride characteristics. Eaton makes both single & two stage, as well as a 7-leaf. You can be assured it's heat treated (quench & temper) SAE 5160 alloy steel -- who knows what yours might be. From the photos, it looks like you have a ton of free arch & quite a large stack height between the mounting plate & differential mount surface. Good used OEM springs are difficult to find, as the main leaf underside is really exposed to the elements and most have pitting & cratering on the underside. I believe this main leaf can also be purchased stand-alone, however, should you find such a unit.
Good luck & be safe.
Jeff
The 9-leaf spring should be close to a soft 190#/in rate, and near flat with the chassis weight on the tires (you are close to testing this).
I don't know if the trailing arm repair is promoting the spring alignment problem, but the angle of the axle shafts and trailing arms as shown are too extreme (a big part of the rest of the alignment problems).
You made it this far, so you may as well try to get the rest assembled, safely. If you cannot jack up the spring to flatten it out without raising the chassis you need to weight the chassis before going any further. Weight the chassis to make it stable on the jack stands, then jack the spring to flatten it out without lifting the chassis, to make it easy to move the trailing arm to complete the camber rod and shock assembly to the trailing arm with less angle on the axle shafts. Get the shocks installed, and the camber rods installed loose in whatever length works easiest with the axle shafts near level, and then adjust the camber with rod length changes after the chassis weight is on the spring.
Thanks!
Butch
S. Jersey
340HP and Powershift above posts are dead-nuts accurate regarding strut rods & shocks & attaching bolt torque procedure + bolt grip length & cushion retaining washer position.
Losing the aftermarket, off-shore spring & purchasing quality USA made unit (Eaton) might be well worth consideration. Note that your spring is 'single-stage' configuration in which all 9 leaves have free arch. This was a '63 only OEM feature ... '64 model year & later use two-stage 6/3 springs with the top 3 leaves flat, bottom 6 with arch for less "jouncy" ride characteristics. Eaton makes both single & two stage, as well as a 7-leaf. You can be assured it's heat treated (quench & temper) SAE 5160 alloy steel -- who knows what yours might be. From the photos, it looks like you have a ton of free arch & quite a large stack height between the mounting plate & differential mount surface. Good used OEM springs are difficult to find, as the main leaf underside is really exposed to the elements and most have pitting & cratering on the underside. I believe this main leaf can also be purchased stand-alone, however, should you find such a unit.
Good luck & be safe.
Jeff
The shocks and struts will not be easy to install with the rear spring loaded................but it can be done. The Chevrolet Service Manual gives some advice on these tasks, but they also have the advantage of various full floor lifts (frame and drive on) to elevate the car to a decent working height both with wheels hanging and wheels supported. The installed rear spring will fight you all the way for these tasks.Although it is a minor point, I believe the large washers for each spring end cushion are upside down. It looks this way from your pictures, so check them. I incorrect, flip them around sometime if/when you get a chance. No big deal even if reversed.
Again, be careful tightening the four spring bolts to the rear axle cover plate, and make sure they are not too long and crack the case (blind holes). This tightening is done after the car is on it's wheels and the body is at it's normal ride height. Since you thought the threads were a bit "soft" on these bolts, I recommend you limit the torque applied.
Proper shocks for the rear have a maximum extension length of 14-1/4 inches measured from center of the end mounting bushings. This is to prevent the trailing arms from going too low and binding the trailing arm u-joints when driving the car. So measure what you have and plan to install, and keep the length to less than 14-1/4 inches to avoid future issues.
Good luck.
Larry
I appreciate all the help from you guys.
Thanks!
Butch
S. Jersey
of taking off the drive units. Looking at some of your rear-ends every thing looks pretty flat.





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