[QUOTE=DJ Dep]Bottom line...you buy cheap....you GET cheap.


Here we go again. DR'76 did not set the price VetteBay did. DR'76 told VetteBay exactly what he was looking for in interior parts. This was DR'76's quote in his beginning thread #1 on the subject: His Ebay store website boasts of the good "like-show" quality of his products. I even stated in my original e-mail to him, that dry-rotted and unraveling vinyl would be UNACCEPTABLE (I really didn't think that was necessary...just common sense would indicate that!)

DR'76 paid the price that was quoted to him but didn't receive the type of merchandise he asked for regardless of the cost. It is as simple as that. Why Dep can't understand this amazes me.

Maybe a poll should be started here. I will be the first one to vote for DR'76 getting a full refund back upon returning the merchandise to VetteBay. What say you as O'Reilly would put it to the rest of the forum members. Lets hear it start posting your Vote.

#1 ffas23 votes for DR'76 getting a full refund.

 

Vote #2 for DR getting a full refund...

 

#3 -- FULL REFUND!! And screw that seller...........

 

No poll here. Start a new thread and reference this one.

"DR'76 did not set the price VetteBay did."
And DR'76 AGREED to the price after SEEING the items...
"First I went to his Ebay store and seen that he had everything I needed."

Now if "seen" means he saw a list of the items, but not the actual PICTURES of the items, that's HIS fault, NOT VetteBays.
DR'76 did NOT ASK for "good "like-show" quality of his products."
He ASSUMED that ALL the parts were like that. Hardly a justifiable assumption considering the price of the parts he paid for.

I'm sure the seller HAS parts like that, but not for a paltry $300. DR'76 received the type of merchandise he DESERVES for $300. Expecting to get "like show" quality for $300 is simply ludicrous. That's like expecting to get a brand new L-88 complete engine for $1000. Would YOU expect to get mint/like new parts for $300??? If you do, you are living in fantasyland right along with DR'76.

What I'm trying to understand is why everyone is so willing to believe the boo hoo story from the buyer and not anything the seller states...

"He called me directly and said he was throwing together a cheap driver and asked if I would give him a deal on a bunch of used interior parts which I also needed to dye for him as well. I admit that the parts I sent were not great - but for $300, I gave him about $1200 worth of stuff if he would have bought reproductions."

That sounds MUCH more reasonable to me. Every story has TWO sides.

Dep

 

Full refund, no matter what warped sense of fairness some people have.

I hate Fu***who rip people off, and have been close to people who have done it to me, and I paid them a visit and received my refund.

 

Seller has said very little. Maybe he has told you much more than we know...over the phone maybe? Fill us in as you seem to know him personally...
The refund is over due

 

Multiple posts of yours on two threads discussing bad deals say otherwise. The seller can do no wrong in your eyes. The seller has no responsibilities in these matters in your eyes. The buyer is always at fault. You've made your stance perfectly clear.

Caveat emptor is certainly something everyone should keep in mind when making a purchase. But a cliche doesn't get a seller off the hook.

 

DEP...WHAT is wrong w/ you? How MANY times does it need to be stated that PRICE has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING t do w/ this?

I asked for "Non-Rotted" and "Non-Torn" items, and received "Rotted" and "Torn" items.

THAT is the issue!

And (yet) AGAIN, that quote you keep referencing from the SELLER is 100% LIES... I NEVER called him, I NEVER said anything about a "cheap driver" (actually I guess I should say " I never TYPED anything about a "cheap driver"...since I NEVER spoke to him) and I NEVER said that he NEEDED to dye them for me. I asked for items of the same color so * I * could dye them and would have a better chance of everything matching. He said dying was part of the price.

Please folks, DO NOT respond to anymore of DEP's rediculous posts...everything that was stated in this post has been stated multiple times now and I'm beginning to think that he's either related to SELLER or is a business partner or something...????

 

No, Dep is just a contrarian and enjoys stiring the pot. No reasonable person would take his position on many of the things he argues. You'll notice that he tends to ignore anything he can't argue with and latches on to anything (relevant or not) to support his side. However, he can make good points when he wants to and he does have great success at getting people riled.

 

Ah HA!!! At LAST we have a modicum of TRUTH!!! DR'76 is using the "liar liar pants on fire" justification.

Yes....I am second cousin 10 times removed from the seller.

Oh BROTHER!!! Now Dr'76 is using the infamous "Dep gag order"
so that only HIS side of the story can be heard and nobody looks at anything else. When people drop down to the "don't listen/respond to Dep" argument I know I have pretty much proven my point.

Dude: Actually, I like for people to look at ALL sides of an issue. The problem is MANY on here instantly take ONLY the word of the people they feel sympathy for and then believe their tall tales as GOSPEL TRUTH. Hence the "liar liar pants on fire" defense

The seller offered a reasonable compromise. If they want to have ol' Dep shut up, just post a poll on a seperate thread as the seller suggested and reference this thread. Yeah...I rock the boat. But SO WHAT. If it wakes the people in the boat up and makes them think and see ALL sides of an issue...all the better.

Dep

 

I's say this is what you call a clusterpuck. I really don't know what else to call it or what that even is, but it sounded appropriate.

There are good points and bad on both sides of this "debate" ,"dispute" or just "dissing". I may even coin a new one called Depping.

First, DR76 you did receive junk parts. I'm inclined to agree that they were in the junk pile and when you called wanting used parts they were picked up and shipped to you. The pictures you show are usually what 30 year old used parts look like and that's also exactly what I would have expected to receive when I asked for them. I realize that is not what condition you asked for, and that you stated what you wanted, and that what you asked for you didn't receive. But I don't believe that what you asked for even exist in the real world. Bad as I hate to I have to agree with DEP on his statement that if you wanted to have a nice car to go the proper route and buy reproduction parts from a reputable dealer.

The parts you received would probably have made someone happy, I just don't know who. I have seen several cars that would be better candidates for a sale with these parts over the ones in them. Some look like the dog slept in them for 30 years. I have seen some decent C3 bodies with interiors that looked 10 times worse than the parts you received and the addition of these parts would at least reflect a little better history than what was in them. Even knowing they were a rough interior, they still reflect a better history than some I have seen so there may be a market somewhere for them.

I do understand your anger over not receiving parts of the condition you asked for. But again, do they even exist?

Your posting of this "Ripped Off" on public forum wasn't a good idea to begin with, especially until there really was an issue to post. If I was the seller and you posted and identified me on public forum as this was without the opportunity for me to resolve or to address the issue, Hell would freeze over before I accommodated anyone that had done this to me. Besides "Ripped Off" in a transaction doesn't occur until after contact to the seller and all avenues of resolve are exhausted.

Haven't you wondered how Vettebay just happened to see this post and registered to reply? Haven't you realized that among all of the people that lurk here or are members of this forum that one of them was an acquaintance and had already advised him of your post before you contacted him?

Just as you experienced anger to your receiving the junk parts, have you thought that he may have been aware of your disclosure on public forum to an issue that he was not able to address before it became public? I can understand how he may have already been angered before you contacted him "nicely" and that your chance of recovery was already shot to shell. If this is true he still even offered to return half of your money and let you keep the parts after a poll. It was evident even to him that a poll would have found in your favor with all of the support shown at the time.

A situation such as this is a losing proposition for both parties involved, there is no winner in these disputes. You I hope have at least learned a lesson from this transaction.

Vettebay will suffer from this and has probably lost several future customers due to the bad publicity. But, even if he had "made things right and refunded your money 100%" the previous post you made would have still clouded his integrity and created doubt from the statements you made prior to any contact or action to resolve this. I agree with Fred that it is in the sellers best interest to keep his customers happy and I am not saying that Vettebay did right by sending you that junk, but this is a cold hard world and I can see no winners in this contest and two wrongs do not make either right.

I would have chalked up half of my loss to experience and lesson learned on this one after consideration and taken the 50% refund.

I have no intent to offend you DR76, or defend Vettebay, it's just how the ball bounces. Sorry jim :

 

This is one reason that I don't buy used parts on ebay. Too many different opinions about what is considered "good" condition. If the ad doesn't explicitly state NOS or NEW I don't buy unless I see lots of pictures and have resigned myself to the fact that the part just isn't available new, or that NOS will be next to impossible to find (which is the case very often for a '68). When I sell used parts on ebay I'll sell on the condition that if the buyer is not satisfied I'll refund his money. It's only fair since the buyer does not have the opportunity to view the parts in person. I just ask that the buyer pay for the return shipping since I am not in business to sell parts.

 

I dont understand how you can plump down that kind of money on used interior pieces without ever seeing a single picture of them!

 

Let it die guys......please.............the guy got ripped off. It's over. The no good bastard that took him doesn't have the guts to settle up. His harm has already come, but DR is still screwed. Let it die..........

The dude would have showed a lot of class buy settling up here, but he chose to dissapear, and has probably registered a new seller name on Ebay. Beware...........

 

Let it die. I have only one more thing to say here on this subject and it is directed to VetteBay. I think you have just one customer left on this forum and that be MR. DEP . You had the chance to do the right thing and chose to hide your big head in the sand having DEP fight your battle's. Sir you do not belong in business from what I have witnessed here. I hope you are making a mint on Ebay finding suckers out there that don't see you for what you are because I think if you were doing this Vette Part selling locally some one would of knocked you on your *** by now. Based on some of the negative feedback I read in your Ebay Comments not counting the negative feedback that was mutually withdrawn by both parties on a few occasions you seemed to have done the same thing that you have done to Corvette Forum member DR'76. Here is one example of the negative feedback given on Ebay for MR. VetteBay:

(Promised good used parts, sold me broken parts, refused to refund or exchange
Buyer wrifsucks ( 9 ) Mar-17-05 17:53 4526671778
Reply by awwgdotnet: I went out of my way to dye his parts and this is what I get - LOL Mar-17-05 21:40
Follow-up by wrifsucks: 2 housings were damaged, 3 lenses cracked and 4th had blue paint on it, liar. Mar-24-05 16:31)

I don't know about the rest of the forum members here but just this one negative feedback tells me alot about VetteBay. What say you????