Silly question re rear indicators
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Melting Slicks
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Silly question re rear indicators
EDIT: Sorry I meant to post this in general!
Hey guys,
Silly question but it has been bugging me.
The rear indicators on my 70 are the outside red lenses (same as the brakes), is this correct. I always thought it was but another vette owner told me last night on a run that it wasn't and instead was meant to be an amber bulb located in with the rear reverse lights (this is what his '69 has).
I have a feeling that his is the one that has been changed but I wanted to make sure.
Cosmic
Hey guys,
Silly question but it has been bugging me.
The rear indicators on my 70 are the outside red lenses (same as the brakes), is this correct. I always thought it was but another vette owner told me last night on a run that it wasn't and instead was meant to be an amber bulb located in with the rear reverse lights (this is what his '69 has).
I have a feeling that his is the one that has been changed but I wanted to make sure.
Cosmic
Last edited by cosmicvette; Jan 28, 2006 at 07:35 AM.
Drifting
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If you are talking about the side marker lights, they are red in back and amber in front (clear on a 68). If you are taking about the reverse lights in a 69-up I think they are all clear.
Last edited by BBShark; Jan 28, 2006 at 09:36 AM.
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Originally Posted by BBShark
If you are talking about the side marker lights, they are red in back and amber in front (clear on a 68).
I agree. Look at the pics of my 70. Red is in back and amber in front. Your buddy is wr...wrr....wrroo....wrong. Hard to say that sometimes.
Melting Slicks
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From: Redruth Cornwall
US standard vette has outer red signals that are also the brakes.
Over here in the UK you have to have amber turn signals, hence we have to use the reversing lens with an amber bulb. Means we get no reversing light which can be a drag in the dark...now how far from the wall am i.....OUCH!
I guess down there in OZ it depends what your motoring laws state.
Over here in the UK you have to have amber turn signals, hence we have to use the reversing lens with an amber bulb. Means we get no reversing light which can be a drag in the dark...now how far from the wall am i.....OUCH!
I guess down there in OZ it depends what your motoring laws state.
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Your 100% correct Cosmic : factory on all C3's is dual purpose brake/indicator on the outside, with reflector and reverse lights inside. As Jotto says, here in UK we tend to convert the reverse light to indicators by altering the wiring and fitting an amber bulb. So, as already said, your friend is talking out of his a**e - which is something most of us do at some time or another 
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Melting Slicks
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Cool, thanks for your replys guys!
Yeah here in Australia there is a lot of misinformation about what lights are required and often inspectors will tell you that the indicators need to be amber when they aren't but I always make sure I know the requirements a lot better than they do, so that when they try and spin me crap I tell them to check their requirements
they tried to tell me they had to be amber when I registered my 70.
cosmic
Yeah here in Australia there is a lot of misinformation about what lights are required and often inspectors will tell you that the indicators need to be amber when they aren't but I always make sure I know the requirements a lot better than they do, so that when they try and spin me crap I tell them to check their requirements
they tried to tell me they had to be amber when I registered my 70. cosmic
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Cosmic,
Aust Design rules for 1st of Jan 69 and on, specify the rear indicators must be amber which is why everybody changes them. This may be why he said what he did.
My 68 can get away with the combo brake/indicator in red but your 70 requires ambers(amber lense or more recently amber bulb with clear lens). This should have been done when you got it registered and I don't know how you got it through with the red brake/indicator combo. Some engineers even specify the outer lamps must be the indicators making you move the brake lamps to the inboard position
Aust Design rules for 1st of Jan 69 and on, specify the rear indicators must be amber which is why everybody changes them. This may be why he said what he did.
My 68 can get away with the combo brake/indicator in red but your 70 requires ambers(amber lense or more recently amber bulb with clear lens). This should have been done when you got it registered and I don't know how you got it through with the red brake/indicator combo. Some engineers even specify the outer lamps must be the indicators making you move the brake lamps to the inboard position
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Cosmic
As you know my 72 vert got rego in NSW 3 years ago without needing to have the tail lights modified in any way. The new owner got it registered in QLD last week the same way. I think if it is over 30 years old you do not have to change anything from factory original
As you know my 72 vert got rego in NSW 3 years ago without needing to have the tail lights modified in any way. The new owner got it registered in QLD last week the same way. I think if it is over 30 years old you do not have to change anything from factory original
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Originally Posted by RHD '68 L89
Zman,
There was no Euro spec for C3s. It came in for late C4 or C5.
There was no Euro spec for C3s. It came in for late C4 or C5.
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Originally Posted by RHD '68 L89
Cosmic,
Aust Design rules for 1st of Jan 69 and on, specify the rear indicators must be amber which is why everybody changes them. This may be why he said what he did.
My 68 can get away with the combo brake/indicator in red but your 70 requires ambers(amber lense or more recently amber bulb with clear lens). This should have been done when you got it registered and I don't know how you got it through with the red brake/indicator combo. Some engineers even specify the outer lamps must be the indicators making you move the brake lamps to the inboard position
Aust Design rules for 1st of Jan 69 and on, specify the rear indicators must be amber which is why everybody changes them. This may be why he said what he did.
My 68 can get away with the combo brake/indicator in red but your 70 requires ambers(amber lense or more recently amber bulb with clear lens). This should have been done when you got it registered and I don't know how you got it through with the red brake/indicator combo. Some engineers even specify the outer lamps must be the indicators making you move the brake lamps to the inboard position
It was my understanding the ADR's don't apply until 72? I was reading it on the RTA (NSW) website not long ago. Anyway, I aint changing it for noone!
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Originally Posted by Z-man
Hmmm...well, I meant whatever all the cars being shipped for sale in Europe that had the different colored tail lights and turn signal lights, etc., from those sold in the US.
There really is no such thing as a Euro spec C3 at all - at least nothing officially from GM. Those of us here in cold old England have exactly the same cars as you US guys. I have never seen anything else unless it's been a purely personal modification.
All us C3 owners here have had to convert our cars lighting from US spec to suit the UK laws.
There are euro spec lights for C4's and obviously for C5's - but definately nothing earlier. I'm not even sure if GM ever sold the C3 officially in Europe - if they did then they did so without making any changes to the cars.
Nice car by the way - chrome bumper convertible with big TTII's - my kind of Vette !
Mike.
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Originally Posted by cosmicvette
Hey dude! how are you going? Thanks for your reply.
It was my understanding the ADR's don't apply until 72? I was reading it on the RTA (NSW) website not long ago. Anyway, I aint changing it for noone!
It was my understanding the ADR's don't apply until 72? I was reading it on the RTA (NSW) website not long ago. Anyway, I aint changing it for noone!
Just got home from the Vic Vettes meeting, I plugged the convention for you. I am displaying my Vette at the NCRS meet in Melb at the end of Feb. Not interested in getting it judged but plugging my business while I'm there. We have runs or displays nearly every weekend until the middle of march so I will be out there driving and plugging the business.
I am pretty sure there are the 1/1/69 ADRs (original) and the 72 ADRs (revisions). I think that's why the HQ's changed front indicator lenses from clear to amber around that time. If you can get away with it, go for it. There are post 69 Melbourne Vettes still with the red stop/indicators as well but my engineer originally got me to change mine (1987) and I changed it back when I did the body off (2002).
See you at Easter!
Zman,
I agree with 72on18s, no euro spec for any C3's as they were not sold by GM in Europe.
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I probably assumed (incorrectly) that the stuff sold in the speed shops at the time was parts that were supposed to make cars legal in Europe. Stuff like those orange or white rear turn signals. Since the European cars from overseas all seemed to have similar equipment, I fell for it! I learn something new everyday...
