I have gotten mauled in a discussion comparing big block engine power to the new Z06, in the '06 Z06 section of this forum. I did not compare stock vs. stock but those arrogant C6 owners think that their Z06's can wipe any other vette off the track, including properly set up L88's and ZL1's. Obviously, technology has reaped rewards but I still think that a modernized big block such as a warmed over L88 or 540 Merlin can whip a new vette in a straight line. Here is the link and if anyone feels like defending the honor of old school hp, you might want to add your 2 cents. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1385048

It really begins to heat up at about page 2 and on.

 

Man its apples and oranges. You cant really compare the two. Seems your going to have to dig yourself out of that one. lol

Anyone see the 2006 Viper vs the 2006 Vette article? Its a good read.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...2&Profile=1024

 

I don't think I would have use "smog ****" to describe an LS-5.

 

an L88 and the Z06 corvette is fairly comparable on similiar tires. The L88s are killed by the bias ply tires. I have read a lot from the pure stock drags and on skinny radials people were getting mid 11s. The Z06 is a low 11 second car.

 

I do not doubt that the Z06 is right up there. However, those arrogant Z owners say things like, "it is not even close". They are suggesting that a Z makes about 150 hp more than an L88. One guy said that a ZL1 can only run 13's! My argument was that you cannot compare them stock vs. stock as the dealer released them but as they were truly meant to be set up (bigger tires and open headers on the L88).

Where did you see "****" in my description, jughead? It was "slug" and the fact is that an LS5 is indeed a slug compared to an L88,ZL1 or LS7. I did not mean to offend you or any other LS5 owner.

 

Well, the L88 is a high performance 427s with an cast iron block and aluminum heads in a 3250 lb car.
The ZL-1 is a high performance 427 with an aluminum block and heads in 3100 lb car.
Both put out about 500HP (unofficially)!

The Z06 is a high performance 427 aluminum block and heads in a 3130 lb car.
The Z06 is rated at same 505 HP
However, the Z06 is 35 years newer and has the benefit of all the advances made in that time.

It might be close, but my bet would be on the new car.

Neat little article here:
http://www.drivingtoday.com/wbz4/gre..._zl/index.html

 

sorry to say, but the C6Z is a LOT faster then an L88/ZL1

as one guy said, only way they got the ZL1 in the 10s was the 4.88 rear, slicks, and a built tranny


the manual vairent was mid 11s if I remember right

 

The new vette has a 6 speed (or 4 speed auto)with more favorable overall ratios. I would think the 4.88 rear evens things up a little better.

I would also think the big block could more easily be tweaked for more hp. The 427 small block LS7 has to be pretty close to its potential. The smaller bores shroud the valves yada yada yada.


Anyway who cares.

The bigger question is how fast can you go given 75,000 dollars.

I could buy a beater C3 for 5 grand and put 70k worth of engine and parts in it.

My money is on the C3.

 

Look the pure stock drags where you have to run entirely stock cars,(modern radial tires of a similiar widths 225/70-15 are the only difference allowed), an L88 corvette ran mid 11s with the owner saying he had pulled off a 10.6 before. This is with the stock cast iron manifolds. Cars are subject to inspection.

 

You probably wouldn't need to spend $70k to execute your plan with a C-3. Now, if you want to spend $70k I know of a C5 ZO6 you can buy that runs 8.50s @ 155 mph.

http://www.learntodragrace.com/

 

I will go further and say i could build a C3 that outhandles and outpowers the new Z06 for 70K.

It wouldn't have the street mannors of a Z but who cares. The animalistic nature of our cars is what makes them so fun.

Thats with me doing all the work. No "professionals"

 

Rather than listen to :, C3 guys feel free to follow up on the actual dialog on other threads.

 

So who cares what some old fat guy in his new vett thinks? Do any of them ever do anything to their cars themselves except pour money into them? Good thing they have 100K spark plugs, because 99% of them couldn't change them.

 

Lots of 'em, probably just as you say.

But lots of 'em also did own or still own early 'vettes, and/or wrench on their other rides, or even their new ones.

I'd just hate to see a troll get everyone all worked up over nothing. Anyone feeling wronged, just slide on over and see what the deal is, and check out the bona fides of those posting, then do whatever you will.

Here is a sample of the instigator's level of automotive knowledge:

"From what I have been told, you don't get horsepower from intake manifolds compared to other things. I guess you can't go wrong but you aren't going to see nitrous-like positives, either."



" [C2]Small blocks shouldn't be very pricey since they cannot hold their own against new vettes. Keep that in mind. Embarrassment yields lower prices. Haggle and have fun!"



"LMAO!!! Somebody still uses a holley?"

 

Dude,

is that you in your avatar?

You expect us to take you seriously?

 

Naw, that is this dude:

http://www.tuttletimes.com/siteSearc...088201244.html

He is yesterday's news, so I'll change my avitar to something....better...


There, how's that?

 

The reason why i ask is there was some dude that showed up in C3 a few years ago with picts of himself in the same sort of outfit. Needless to say it created quite a stir.

I'd love to have a new Z06 but i can't afford it. I have more than enough cash in the bank to buy one so i guess i can afford it. I'd rather use the money for other things or i'd rather just have the money for a rainy day, so i guess that means i really can't afford it.

 

In my humble opinion only, I offer the following:

I think it all boils down to the Nouveau Corvette Owner with their Z06 complex. Those who do not study history (Like Zora's engineering) are doomed to make all sorts of claims about the new Corvette.

The 1970½ LS-7, of which it is VERY hard to find and the L-88 are both superior to the computer controlled, ABS, Anti-Skid, Anti driver input, just in a word ANTI-driver Z06.

It's like comparing apples to oranges. Sure the Z06 is fast, the new LS7 is awesome. But can these mediocre drivers really drive a car that doesnt have all sorts of computer enhancements to correct their every action?

Driving a new Vette is like driving a 1974 Caprice on cruise control (with air). Floor it and it goes.

Expertly feathering the clutch to avoid wheel slip while maintaining the beast under the hood of an old school Vette takes MUCH more talent.

People see a new Vette and think - "wow- dude's got money"

People see an old school Vette and think - "wow - dude's got class"

 

Don;t forget that the 505 LS7 hp rating is SAE (with all accessories, smog equipment, and exhaust in place), while the 550 L88/ZL1 hp rating is net (no accessories or exhaust). By the time you get all the corrected numbers on a modern chassis dyno, I bet the LS7 is a more powerful car. Driveline mass is much higher on the old car. parasitic drag could go either way. Aerodynamics of the new car are FAAAR superior.

In a straight line, with good tires on both, it'd be close, but I'd have to give the edge to the new guy.

On a road/circuit track, it's no contest. The Z06 wipes up with an L88. Consider all the threads here about how to improve our suspension geometry...

Sorry, that's the way I see it.

Like the others who already said it, though... Give me $70,000 and I could have Twin Turbo build a Z06 killer and have some change left over for fuel.

 

This is an argument that has been going on for some time now. I think one of the main reasons is because emotions are used more than facts. We remember the "muscle car era" with hindsite. I wonder how many people that talk about L88's and ZL1's actually saw one in action let alone lived with one. They were not fun cars to use in the real world, either on the street or the track. As far as my qualifications to comment, I was part of Bernie Agaman's crew for many years. From the late 60's through the mid 70's we had several race cars that we had a good bit of success with, from Stock and Super Stock to a Pro Stocker. The car that comes into play here is a '71 Vette that we were NHRA Super Stock World Champions with in '74 and '75. For those of you youngins you can do a GOOGLE and read some of our ink in Car Craft, Hot Rod, and National Dragster. What we had to do to keep that car alive is more then I can write here. This is a topic that comes up almost every time us "old timers" get together. When people say they don't build them like they used to we all reply "thank GOD". Don't get me wrong I love and will not give up my old cars, but the OVERALL performance of the new cars is absolutely amazing. As far as guys not working on their C5's and C6's sure that is the majority, but there is a very large faction that do wrench on their cars it may not be changing carbs, intakes and cams as often as we used to but maybe reprograming a computer. It's still improving the performance of their ride. My son is constantly telling me he can redo a fuel map with his laptop quicker then I can rejet a Holly. He may be right but for me I still enjoy playing with a carb. He's not all bad, he has a matching numbers '72 4 speed, A/C convert. As I have said, I love my old cars for local shows, cruise nights and weekend blasts, but when I drive out to the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit this August it will be in the C6. Wow, sorry this got so long. Just my opinion, but I was there.