My understanding is the new Camaro is to be built on the just released Holden Commodore platform. That said, it will have IRS in all forms. Check out the VE Commodores
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...w?modelid=4006
and their HSV counterparts http://www.hsv.com.au/index_eseries.asp

 

i dont like the looks of the new camaro.
it would have been better to go full retro for sure.

 

BRO... you gotta think POSITIVE... the general listened when they started designing the car... they listened when they decided to build it... Remeber we have some NEW BLOOD at the GM. They are trying to Bring BACK the Great Cars that we will lust over and over 10-20 years down the road.

I think the GTO was a decent effort... even though it was not a HIT...first year moldel was BORING....

I think the SKY and Soltice are AWESOME lil cars... not for me... but I like them...

And Now that GM is going back to REAR Drive PLATFORM in the next 2-3 years... we should get some really cool cars... (grand Prix, monte carlo, Impala)

I just HOPE they don't have GTO like options....

EVERYTHING... Pick your Wheels and Tranny... THAT SUCKS

We all agree that picking
wheels and the tranny are important...

BUT the real picks would be

2-3 different engines choices...
different gear ratios....
different interior packages...
different handling packages...

That SAD THING IS... IF WANT A TRUCK.... A TRUCK....
YOU CAN GET ANYTHING YOU WANT

SOME Trucks are nicer than most Caddy's

Or as basic as Vinyl seats and floors, no A/C with a 5-speed manual and V6.... and you still get to pick your rear end gear??? WHAT THE HELL

If we had these types of options in rear drive GM Vehicle... people we have a blast getting the car they want... NOT WHAT THE SALES GUYS SELLS YOU !!!

 

OK positive....well I think I'm capable of that...it just seemed like you were under the impression that GM was actually asking for our input..but you are obviously aware that in this case its not GM asking.

Yeah it dont hurt to fill out the survey...who knows the guys at GM might actually look at it before circular filing it...TBH I gotta believe that GM probably has a pretty good idea already what is going to be standard equipment and what the basic option packages are going to be.

however a supercharged dream motor for a corvette is the same thing as a supercharged pipe-dream motor for a camaro IMO.

But so far the positive thinkers seem to be winning...it wasnt too long ago that I predicted the camaro would return as a 4-door SUV crossover, which at the time seemed a logical progression considering GM's obsession with anything and everything SUV.

 

BTW I agree that the Skye and the Solstice are very bitchin cars...I wish chevy had a version.

As for the GTO.. I thought it was cool that they revived it, I thought it was lame that it was a rebadged Holden...this led to my reprasing pontiacs tag line "We build excitement" to "We borrow excitement" , no disprespect to Holdens, they actually have some very cool cars down under...but the cost of shipping them to the states and to bolt on a plastic nose and glue on some badges was just not well thought out.

I still firmly hold to the belief that the car will come heavily optioned - standard.. yes that sucks but frankly I think its what the industry has come to.

The Vast majority of buyers want A/C, P/W, PDL, navigation systems, etc.. etc.. ad nauseum.. you and I who would be tickled to buy a vinyl-seat-roll-down-window-car-with-manual-door-locks-and no-radio are abberations so far as the industry is concerned.

Lastly, I hope and pray that GM realises that they have to target the young car buyer with this car...that is what the pony car was all about, get that young buyer in and start building brand loyalty...I really believe that the camaro has to be priced with the mustang if its going to compete. That means no more than a 19k MSRP for the base model and that is with the long laundry list of standard equipment...

If (doesnt hold breath) GM goes and makes a real entry level Camaro with hand crank windows, no cruise control, no A/C, am fm radio only, vinyl seats, it better MSRP at no more than 17k...

I would love a huge list of motors that could be selected 2- V6's, 2 or 3 V8's, a 5 speed stick, a 6 speed stick, 4,5 & even 6 speed autos that could be put in ANY car without having to pick a bazillion other options.. but again, I dont think the industry works that way anymore.

Why can you do it with trucks?....trucks are GM's cash cow, people buy them, and GM makes more money if each and every option has to be selected as opposed to just having 2 giant groups. so long as people are willing to pay stupid amounts of money on reskinned suburbans GM will accomodate them.

Unfortunately the Camaro never will be GM's cash cow.

 

I understan d and can relate to alot of what you are saying... but the truth is... the engines and trannies and already available already MASS produced...

When I sold Vettes for Chevy... I would order about half the cars.. people like the fact they could get what they wanted... at the TIME... FRC car was a popular option... all performance no FLUFF... Of course it did have standard A/c and Radio

All I am saying is GM will make heroes out of YOUNG PEOPLE and enthusiasts every where by offer different options ...

I love the idea of the RS package... the Z/28 package... the SS package.. or a combo on them...

I love that fact that... THAT THE GM HEAD BRASS said if we need to compete with the SRT8 or GT500 we have a LS7 to put in the camaro !!

That is a beautiful thing to be said by a GM Executive.

Alright they probably will not have a 5.3 (although they should for price point) I DOUBT Camaro will get SC-LS9 (corvette doesn't even have it yet) and 600HP street car is SILLY

But a V6 about 20K and V8 25K and HiPo V8 or handling for 30K and SUPER CAR fro 40K....

the Ford guys would come running. and the MOPAR guys may look better... BUT the DCX cars need weight watchers

Hell I bet the import kids would make the Change...

BANG FOR YOUR BUCK and Options... that is the american way for performance cars...

 

Absolutely, I am by no way saying it cant be done or that the parts arent there, I dont have the confidence in GM to look at the Camaro in the light that you and I might prefer. Like I said if they have 2 V6's available and 3 V8's I think thats a lot of options...

I love the FRC.. that car looks great

.....if they do this right (if you allow me to be impertinant and finish your sentence )

Me too, and frankly this is possible..there was a point in the 4th gen camaro when all 3 existed at one time, even though the SS through SLP was a bit less common...I HOPE they allow the combinations that were possible in the good-ol days... but I'm not so sure about that. For example, while GM certainly could offer hidden headlights for an RS model and a slightly different grille I'm not convinced they will....

Yeah, but talk is cheap

But each of those price points is higher than the Mustang....make it V6- 19k Hipo 25k - hipo convertible 30k - pipe-dream 40k... and you got something

maybe...the price will have to be right...import kids, some buy their cars new, but my impression is most of those cars are used cars and I think a lot of them still fall for the 'japanese is always better' propaganda, a new rear wheel drive car from chevy wont drive them crazy, they certainly havent all been scooping up mustangs. And much to our chagrin I doubt many of them are closet chevy fans.

Of course, its all waayyyyyy to early to say either way, I could be right, I could be horrificly wrong, certainly wouldnt be the first time, at least they got the camaro right enough to be rear wheel drive and are taking a shot at it, so I will count my blessings and hope for the best.

Besides if I set my sights low and GM comes through, I will that much more pleased

 

I'd take one if there was no interior racing seats and a 450 + horse ls2 or higher. Oh and black with white stripes.
As for the import kids you can't change their minds they'd rather have a 4 banger with a huge muffler that sounds worse than a leaf blower. Plus I think most of the import kids buy older cars with vtecs in them or something.

 

I would want the biggest baddest one and do not care if the younger generation can not afford them, most can not afford what we drive now. If everyone could afford them then they would not be special. I would not give up my present stable though. Paul

 

I agree chances are younger kids won't be getting a new sports car. I know I wouldn't insurance would kill me being only a month shy of 18. It is bad enough for my leased 06 ranger let alone a brand new 400+ hp car.
So IMO the affordability to the younger generation makes no difference if the car is 20k or 40k cause it will still be the kids that get whatever they want with the rich parents paying for it.

 

I have no more faith in GM.After they ditched the RWD Caprice.I mean they were still selling fairly well with the general public but gezzz they sold a gazillion of them around the world to veirous fleets(Cabs.Police ect)You can see news footage of kwait and see the RWD caprice.They gave up that cash cow for a FWD Impala that the public really didn't take to and the cab co's and police Dept's ran away from???Forad loved it.It boosted their Crown vic sales.I don't know,GM has lost me.I have no faith in them anymore and I really don't care if they build a camaro or not

 

That is a VERY TRUE STATEMENT...

I still have Hope they seem to really want to market this car. I can't remember the last time a NEW CHEVY got this kind of Hype.

A Pontiac, YES... A Caddy, YES... but a Chevy? I guess you could argue the NEW Z06 or New Vette... but this was redesign. Not an All New Vehicle. Of course the Camaro... is a vehicle that has been resurected. I was waiting for the CAMARO to Die in 1992 then in 2000... when I ordered my 2000 SLP SS

And personally... I think the NEW MUSTANG is a HUGE success for FORD guys. I seen TONS of those cars!! I am not sure what production is up too.. but I am not seeing alot of insentive on the V8 cars...and I am seeing MORE AND MORE Saleen and Roush Cars every day.

As far a the Young Crowd...correct. Older used cars will always bee the trend. But everybody knew the guy in High School who's MAMA got him a "in my generation" the brand new L98 IROC-Z with T-tops or the MUSTANG GT 5.0 Convertible 3x black....

That day is coming back... what was old.... is now becoming new.

AMERICAN Muscle Cars are making a STAND... instead of 1969 and 1970... It will be

2009 and 2010

 

See the problem here is the Camaro is NOT special to begin with, it was from the very beginning an affordable car with a broad range of performance abilities. And at least when I think of younger generation, I'm thinking primarily 20-somethings.

If GM blunders this and prices the Camaro as some sort of exclusive sports coupe its gonna fail so bad it will be laughable.

 

I`m satisfied with my old Junks of three Rats and a Mouse. I dont need another high priced underpowered piece of crap from GM.

 

[QUOTE=Ironcross]I`m satisfied with my old Junks of three Rats and a Mouse. I dont need another high priced underpowered piece of crap from GM.

That sounds similar to a comment my dad made back when the '67 Camaro's came out in comparison to his '32 Ford rod.

A 2008 Camaro will be a daily driver for most people (like me) not a collector car. Those old cars were high priced in their time and required more maintenance in 30k miles than todays cars do in 100k miles. A few of todays cars are capable of outperforming those oldies in a straight line too.

Someone has to buy new underpowered pieces of crap so that one day all of us old guys can buy them up again at 10 times the price. As long as I'm driving 26k a year I'll need that new car and I'll be first in line to wear out one of those new ones.

 

I`m satisfied with my old Junks of three Rats and a Mouse. I dont need another high priced underpowered piece of crap from GM.

That sounds similar to a comment my dad made back when the '67 Camaro's came out in comparison to his '32 Ford rod.

A 2008 Camaro will be a daily driver for most people (like me) not a collector car. Those old cars were high priced in their time and required more maintenance in 30k miles than todays cars do in 100k miles. A few of todays cars are capable of outperforming those oldies in a straight line too.

Someone has to buy new underpowered pieces of crap so that one day all of us old guys can buy them up again at 10 times the price. As long as I'm driving 26k a year I'll need that new car and I'll be first in line to wear out one of those new ones.[/QUOTE]

As far as a straight line, If by a remote chance one of the SS Rats ever gets out performed by whatever, I just go home and come back with a faster one. The 67 is a L78 piece, the Bronze 68 is crate engine L72 powered, and the Red 68 is a real bad SOB with a crate 454 LS7. Really fun pieces and well known in my area.

 

I like the Bronze 68 looks good.

hell they all look good. I need some rats in my house

 

I'll keep my 70 Z28 Citrus Green with black stripes 4 speed car.

 

Like this one?

 

Totally agree, I think this is what sorta happened to the last generation. The Camaro cannot be competing with the Corvette for market share .... that would make no since from a marketing standpoint. At least for the majority of the cars. For special additions, thats another story. The price has to be in line with the Mustang .... 19K for V6 and 25K for V8.
A lot of these cars will be daily drivers and marketed as so, if it is to be successful. I couldn't wait for the Camaro or Challenger due to my old daily driver making the decision for me . So I got the next best think, a Stang. Like the other two cars, it had to have 4 seats for a daily driver and dependable (i.e. new). It does need to be lowered a little bit though .