camaro survey
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Drifting
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camaro survey
check out this survey.... I want a RS/SS with a LS7 and M6 Hugger orange with a black hockey stick
http://www.zoomerang.com/recipient/s...WEB225MKNAAHDU
http://www.zoomerang.com/recipient/s...WEB225MKNAAHDU
Melting Slicks
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I went for a minimalist approach to performace, leaving out unnecessary ammenities but combined with maximum performance up to the LS2. Keep it as cheap and light as possible for the younger crowd, like the original Camaros were. A Camaro with leather, HUD, dual zone climate control, all the other luxury crap and LS7 would not be affordable to the younger crowd, just like the Vette isn't. Why spend that much on a Camaro if you can get a Vette for similar or just a little more?
Drifting
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Thanks for the link. I'll take a Marina Blue Z28 with a 6 speed. My '02 DD Z will have 141,000 by 2008. Since it won't be worth selling at that point it should make a nice drag car. I ordered it sans T-tops just for that purpose.
Drifting
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From: Yooperville MI
Originally Posted by platzie
I've got a sweet spot for a '67 RS/SS convertible, 4spd, white w/ red int. and black top. I get to drive it a couple times a year when I go home and visit my Dad!
I've had 11 F bodies since 1971, 5 were toys and the rest were new DD's. My fav was and always will be the 1st gen cars. Although performance slacked for a few years, every generation became better drivers and the 4th gens are very nice all around cars. The 5th gens should be excellent.
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Safety Car
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I'd go with a silver Z28 with the LS2 and IRS. It's basically corvette Jr. at that point. Probably go with the auto 6 speed with paddles, just because I'm a lazy bum when it comes to clutching. 
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From: Frederick MD
I get almost as much fun just being in it C3 or 1st gen. Camaro. Not many people have them, they look sexy and due to their "old" technology, the suspension squats, motor roars and throws you in the seat.
For comparison: I drove a highly modified 2000 C5 an it was SUPER fast, but handled so well it wasn't as much fun to drive. Very cool. but not my cup of tea.
For comparison: I drove a highly modified 2000 C5 an it was SUPER fast, but handled so well it wasn't as much fun to drive. Very cool. but not my cup of tea.
Melting Slicks
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Love the first gens (own three 69's),..but, dislike the new design and styling,..too futuristic,..too 'Cadilac' looking. And those 20" urban wheels,..gag!
I'm on record as stating this car will not succeed. I don't see the Mustang crowd trading in their cars for the new Camaro,..I don't see women in line placing orders,..I don't see 20-30 year olds being able to afford it. I don't see mega interest from the 40-60 crowd. Who will purchase this thing?
This puts the Camaro right back where it was before it's production was suspended,..too narrow a market.
Chevy had a golden opportunity,..to build a car that closely resembles the first gen, which is more popular today than ever. Instead they built something only George Jetson would like.
Purely my opinion,..worth what you paid for it.
Wes
I'm on record as stating this car will not succeed. I don't see the Mustang crowd trading in their cars for the new Camaro,..I don't see women in line placing orders,..I don't see 20-30 year olds being able to afford it. I don't see mega interest from the 40-60 crowd. Who will purchase this thing?
This puts the Camaro right back where it was before it's production was suspended,..too narrow a market.
Chevy had a golden opportunity,..to build a car that closely resembles the first gen, which is more popular today than ever. Instead they built something only George Jetson would like.
Purely my opinion,..worth what you paid for it.
Wes
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Drifting
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From: Longwood Florida
Originally Posted by 73, Dark Blue 454
Love the first gens (own three 69's),..but, dislike the new design and styling,..too futuristic,..too 'Cadilac' looking. And those 20" urban wheels,..gag!
I'm on record as stating this car will not succeed. I don't see the Mustang crowd trading in their cars for the new Camaro,..I don't see women in line placing orders,..I don't see 20-30 year olds being able to afford it. I don't see mega interest from the 40-60 crowd. Who will purchase this thing?
This puts the Camaro right back where it was before it's production was suspended,..too narrow a market.
Chevy had a golden opportunity,..to build a car that closely resembles the first gen, which is more popular today than ever. Instead they built something only George Jetson would like.
Purely my opinion,..worth what you paid for it.
Wes
I'm on record as stating this car will not succeed. I don't see the Mustang crowd trading in their cars for the new Camaro,..I don't see women in line placing orders,..I don't see 20-30 year olds being able to afford it. I don't see mega interest from the 40-60 crowd. Who will purchase this thing?
This puts the Camaro right back where it was before it's production was suspended,..too narrow a market.
Chevy had a golden opportunity,..to build a car that closely resembles the first gen, which is more popular today than ever. Instead they built something only George Jetson would like.
Purely my opinion,..worth what you paid for it.
Wes
YOU MAKE some valid points. But this is why GM is letting the public make a few choices...
We all know the 5th GEN will be 1st GEN like in style... We just need to Guide GM to the sale floor and give them the right info...
try the survey it will HELP !!
Drifting
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From: Yooperville MI
Originally Posted by 73, Dark Blue 454
I'm on record as stating this car will not succeed. I don't see the Mustang crowd trading in their cars for the new Camaro,..I don't see women in line placing orders,..I don't see 20-30 year olds being able to afford it. I don't see mega interest from the 40-60 crowd. Who will purchase this thing?
The 4th gens sold well the first few years, but sales died because GM stopped development and improvements. They lost the female buyers because they were difficult for women to get in and out of in a lady like way. GM let Camaro/Firebird fail by not responding to the customers and I think that mentality will change with the new car.
GM could have done like DCX and built a new '69 Camaro on a full size luxury car platform that weighs near 4k pounds. But then we'd just have more odd proportioned '69 Camaro's running around. I think it's best to start fresh.
Safety Car
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The retro crap pisses me off more than anything. I'm glad GM gave it a fresh look instead of living in the past.
The dinosaurs died for a reason as did the old body styles. The challenger is a pig, the concept weighs over 4100 lbs! An Impala doesn't even weigh that much. The new mustang is pretty chubby, too. If the Camaro keeps the weight decently low, it will rock both the challenger and the mustang. It's also supposed to feature IRS, which should just make it the best performing car in its class.
However, only time will tell. I'd buy it.
The dinosaurs died for a reason as did the old body styles. The challenger is a pig, the concept weighs over 4100 lbs! An Impala doesn't even weigh that much. The new mustang is pretty chubby, too. If the Camaro keeps the weight decently low, it will rock both the challenger and the mustang. It's also supposed to feature IRS, which should just make it the best performing car in its class.
However, only time will tell. I'd buy it.
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Drifting
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WELL DCX is building only 5.7 and 6.1 cars... I understand that the first group will be AUTO only then later a 6 speed, maybe around this time next year. But the price point will be higher than the MUSTANG.
The mustang will probably be cheaper than a camaro.. if only slightly. HELL they build 500,000 !!!
But the camaro I am sure will out perform it. I think GM should learn from the 05 mustang and build a car that the aftermarket can expand on... have a option box that WE THE PEOPLE CAN SELECT...
I love that fact that you can get different engines! Not just the V6 or V8....but a 5.3 or 6.0 or 7.0 ...auto or manual... they should have a auto 4 speed and auto 6 speed.
RS package for looks and Z28 package for handling or autocrossing... A stripper base car with with a V8...that would sell ALSO...
granted it would make for a huge variety... but that is what poeple loved about the 1st gen car... YOU COULD GET WHAT YOU WANTED !!
The mustang will probably be cheaper than a camaro.. if only slightly. HELL they build 500,000 !!!
But the camaro I am sure will out perform it. I think GM should learn from the 05 mustang and build a car that the aftermarket can expand on... have a option box that WE THE PEOPLE CAN SELECT...
I love that fact that you can get different engines! Not just the V6 or V8....but a 5.3 or 6.0 or 7.0 ...auto or manual... they should have a auto 4 speed and auto 6 speed.
RS package for looks and Z28 package for handling or autocrossing... A stripper base car with with a V8...that would sell ALSO...
granted it would make for a huge variety... but that is what poeple loved about the 1st gen car... YOU COULD GET WHAT YOU WANTED !!
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Originally Posted by 69autoXr
I went for a minimalist approach to performace, leaving out unnecessary ammenities but combined with maximum performance up to the LS2. Keep it as cheap and light as possible for the younger crowd, like the original Camaros were. A Camaro with leather, HUD, dual zone climate control, all the other luxury crap and LS7 would not be affordable to the younger crowd, just like the Vette isn't. Why spend that much on a Camaro if you can get a Vette for similar or just a little more?
Burning Brakes
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From: Sherwood Park AB
Chevy needs a 4 seater RWD sports car. (No GTO in Canada) They are missing out on the market, but need to be careful not to overprice it and narrow the market.
Redesign the front end, keep it affordable, and offer some high performance versions. Scrap the IRS idea, Mustang cobras had it and it sucked. The new GT500 has a solid axle.
Make a radio delete LS9 version and keep it priced below a base model vette. Then see who the real car guys are...
I think it is ugly, and would never buy one. I liked the first concept drawings I saw in 04. Can't post pix, if someone could host, PM me.
Redesign the front end, keep it affordable, and offer some high performance versions. Scrap the IRS idea, Mustang cobras had it and it sucked. The new GT500 has a solid axle.
Make a radio delete LS9 version and keep it priced below a base model vette. Then see who the real car guys are...
I think it is ugly, and would never buy one. I liked the first concept drawings I saw in 04. Can't post pix, if someone could host, PM me.
Drifting
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YOU MAKE some valid points. But this is why GM is letting the public make a few choices...
God only knows if anyone at GM will read it or if they will care.
So therefore I wouldnt got getting all excited about the various options and their prices listed in the survey, there is absolutely no guarantee that any of them will get to the car.
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Frankly, judging from long term trends the camaro will most likely be like every other car out there and come with a long laundry list of standard items.
All Camaros will have A/C
All camaros will have PS PB & PW
the base motor will be a V6 of course, I bet MSRP on a base model Camaro will come in the 22-25k range. (with the obligatory 5-7k 'cool car' charge for the 1st 3 years of its run)
I expect a SS and Z-28.. i doubt there will be an RS (at least not at first) and I highly doubt there will be a ZL-1 car. (or whatever code that is)
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Originally Posted by 69autoXr
I went for a minimalist approach to performace, leaving out unnecessary ammenities but combined with maximum performance up to the LS2. Keep it as cheap and light as possible for the younger crowd, like the original Camaros were. A Camaro with leather, HUD, dual zone climate control, all the other luxury crap and LS7 would not be affordable to the younger crowd, just like the Vette isn't. Why spend that much on a Camaro if you can get a Vette for similar or just a little more?
light
powerful
no aminities nor BS (like power windows, leather, electric seats, seat heaters, dual AC, traction controls, tin tin 'wishing to save your life' advicers...etc etc)
proper price
