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Warning!!!!
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Instructor
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Warning!!!!
There is a fake 1971 LT1 on Ebay. The company selling this fake is in Reno Nevada. The name of the company is Sierra Classics. I have written them on this matter. I am sick an tired of these dealers trying to dump fake cars on people that don't know better. Crooks!
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St. Jude Donor '07
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Instructor
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There are
other ways to prove LT1 status. No sense pointing these items out. I still have not had a response to my inquiry to the dealer. I also exposed another dealer in Vegas three months ago to same lie about a car he was selling. If anyone believes these guys then that same person is going to believe our goverment is going to build the fence. Liars all.
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other ways to prove LT1 status. No sense pointing these items out. I still have not had a response to my inquiry to the dealer. I also exposed another dealer in Vegas three months ago to same lie about a car he was selling. If anyone believes these guys then that same person is going to believe our goverment is going to build the fence. Liars all.
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Instructor
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From: Encinitas Ca
Not much
more to the story. I become ill of the liars and presenters of deceit. Thank goodness the guys I bought my cars from were honest. Think about a poor smuck that wonders into the web of the liar. Out good money that can never be recovered. It is our job, the people that know these cars, to help the ones with the un-trained eye. Plus I take no greater pleasure than exposing a thief. As for the fence? filthy liars. We are being sold out. Send a man overseas to risk it all and let 18 million in without a blink of an eye? Filty bums.
Safety Car
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St. Jude Donor '12-'13
Go to any car show these day or wathc auctions. Way too many RS Camaros and Hemi Cudas and GTOs with way low mileage. People drove these cars in those days, they typically didn't squirrel them away. A guy in our club ahd a frame off done on a '58 Vette and the odometer now reads 158. I asked him how can they do that? He claims on a frame off rebuild, the mileage can be exempt from the general laws because the car has been totally rebuilt as if new. I think it is BS. I know that most all of the way low mileage cars I am seeing at shows are a crock. I was at the BG auction a couple of years back and they had a Silver Anniv. with supposely 2700 original miles. I took one look and knew it was 127,000. I heard a guy bought it without previewing it and was pissed. It was really his own fault, but my point is there are way too many low mileage muscle cars these days.
Burning Brakes
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If you rely on the odometer and the sellers wword for equipment then you are ripe and waiting to be picked. These cars have been around for 30-40 years and almost anything could have been done to them during that time.
That happens to be a poor fake and there are plenty of good fakes out there especially if the value supports it. It is a sad state of affairs when the dollar rules and honesty doesn't pay. It is almost not worth it to look at a high optioned or rare car car anymore. Your chances of getting screwed rise proportionally with the value.
That happens to be a poor fake and there are plenty of good fakes out there especially if the value supports it. It is a sad state of affairs when the dollar rules and honesty doesn't pay. It is almost not worth it to look at a high optioned or rare car car anymore. Your chances of getting screwed rise proportionally with the value.
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IMO most dealers are Slime Bags anyway!
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Go to any car show these day or wathc auctions. Way too many RS Camaros and Hemi Cudas and GTOs with way low mileage. People drove these cars in those days, they typically didn't squirrel them away. A guy in our club ahd a frame off done on a '58 Vette and the odometer now reads 158. I asked him how can they do that? He claims on a frame off rebuild, the mileage can be exempt from the general laws because the car has been totally rebuilt as if new. I think it is BS. I know that most all of the way low mileage cars I am seeing at shows are a crock. I was at the BG auction a couple of years back and they had a Silver Anniv. with supposely 2700 original miles. I took one look and knew it was 127,000. I heard a guy bought it without previewing it and was pissed. It was really his own fault, but my point is there are way too many low mileage muscle cars these days.
Here is what the Feds say:
The Federal Odometer Act
To counteract this temptation and to protect consumers, the federal government passed a law called the Federal Odometer Act. Anyone purchasing a car in the United States is protected by this act.
Under the act, it is unlawful to tamper with an odometer in order to change the mileage registered. Tampering can take a number of different forms, all of them illegal. For example, it is a violation of the act to drive a vehicle with a disconnected odometer (which therefore would not register the miles), or to install or sell a device that makes the odometer record mileage inaccurately. It is also a violation to reduce manually the number of miles on the odometer.
Notice of broken odometer
Sometimes odometers break or malfunction. According to the act, if an odometer is broken, it cannot be altered when it is being repaired. If an odometer cannot be fixed without being altered, it must be reset to zero. A written notice must then be attached to the vehicle's left door frame that states the mileage before the repair and the date of the repair. You can then add the mileage on the door frame notice to the mileage on the odometer to get the total miles.
As a consumer, be aware that the person or company selling the car is responsible for knowing the correct total mileage. The seller must convey that information to you in writing. The act prohibits the transfer of ownership of a car to a seller without full disclosure of the actual total mileage. If a car’s actual mileage is unknowable, or if the seller is unsure of the actual mileage, he or she must tell you in writing that the actual mileage is unknown.
To counteract this temptation and to protect consumers, the federal government passed a law called the Federal Odometer Act. Anyone purchasing a car in the United States is protected by this act.
Under the act, it is unlawful to tamper with an odometer in order to change the mileage registered. Tampering can take a number of different forms, all of them illegal. For example, it is a violation of the act to drive a vehicle with a disconnected odometer (which therefore would not register the miles), or to install or sell a device that makes the odometer record mileage inaccurately. It is also a violation to reduce manually the number of miles on the odometer.
Notice of broken odometer
Sometimes odometers break or malfunction. According to the act, if an odometer is broken, it cannot be altered when it is being repaired. If an odometer cannot be fixed without being altered, it must be reset to zero. A written notice must then be attached to the vehicle's left door frame that states the mileage before the repair and the date of the repair. You can then add the mileage on the door frame notice to the mileage on the odometer to get the total miles.
As a consumer, be aware that the person or company selling the car is responsible for knowing the correct total mileage. The seller must convey that information to you in writing. The act prohibits the transfer of ownership of a car to a seller without full disclosure of the actual total mileage. If a car’s actual mileage is unknowable, or if the seller is unsure of the actual mileage, he or she must tell you in writing that the actual mileage is unknown.
Only a manufacturer that can legally supply a Certificate of Origin, like GM can start a speedo from zero without the previous door sticker. this includes dealers, auction houses like BJ and all individuals . No one is exempt period and especially rebuilds. The buy it AS IS does not apply to the odometer.
If you feel you have been wronged, contact the State or Feds. They love it because it is an easy case to prosecute and win. they can get all the title records from day one. No one is going to fool the records.
I know a guy that spent 5 years in the greybar hotel for his odometer creativity.
the laws were inacted because of widespread abuse. Not every car buyer is car saavy.
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Go to any car show these day or wathc auctions. Way too many RS Camaros and Hemi Cudas and GTOs with way low mileage. People drove these cars in those days, they typically didn't squirrel them away. A guy in our club ahd a frame off done on a '58 Vette and the odometer now reads 158. I asked him how can they do that? He claims on a frame off rebuild, the mileage can be exempt from the general laws because the car has been totally rebuilt as if new. I think it is BS. I know that most all of the way low mileage cars I am seeing at shows are a crock. I was at the BG auction a couple of years back and they had a Silver Anniv. with supposely 2700 original miles. I took one look and knew it was 127,000. I heard a guy bought it without previewing it and was pissed. It was really his own fault, but my point is there are way too many low mileage muscle cars these days.
Here's the problem. Muscle cars put on miles 1/4 at a time, they were rode hard and put away wet until the engine blew, the car hit a tree or power pole OR BOTH! All the matching number no hit cars are recreations at best and frauds at worst. Between Hemmings and Barrett-Jackson, more '67 427/435 cars were for sale than were ever made. Bloomington has Gold Certified 41 of the 20 '67 L88's. Greed drives the hobby unfortunatly, the car dealer is just along for the ride. Which is why I'm into racecars and customs. The whole matching numbers thing turns my stomach. 
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From The Corvette Black Book concerning the 1972 Corvette. 1972 was the last year for the solid lifter LT1 engine. It was the only year that air conditioning was available with that engine. To assist in not throwing the AC belt, the standard 5600 rpm redline tachometer was used instead of the 6500 rpm redline tach used with non-air LT1s.
Jim
Jim
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From The Corvette Black Book concerning the 1972 Corvette. 1972 was the last year for the solid lifter LT1 engine. It was the only year that air conditioning was available with that engine. To assist in not throwing the AC belt, the standard 5600 rpm redline tachometer was used instead of the 6500 rpm redline tach used with non-air LT1s.
Jim
Jim
For My Own Info...did LT-1s also have the BB rear sway bar?
Melting Slicks
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No. Some GM information back in the day, incorrectly stated that the LT-1 ZR1 option included a rear sway bar. This has been found to be incorrect, but the rumors stay alive, even after 37 years.
Melting Slicks
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[QUOTE]A written notice must then be attached to the vehicle's left door frame that states the mileage before the repair and the date of the repair.[/QUOTE]
Has anyone ever seen one of these?
Has anyone ever seen one of these?
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