Engine ID please




If us C3 guys are so dumb, why not ask your C2 brainiac buddies?
It is very unlikely that the owner in 1973-74 took it back to a dealer and had them put a new motor in it that matched the spec of the original motor. The dollars involved to do that- especially during the gas crunch- would defy any logic.
1973 was 34 years ago. How do you honestly expect anybody to know what has happened to your car and the mystery motor during that time period.
You have a 1973 casting date block with an untraceable and non-decomposable CE number- beyond the simple sequence number. CE motors were a dime a dozen since they were offered throughout the 5-50 warranty program not just on Corvettes but pretty well on all platforms. Keep in mind that the 0010 casting number was used for 302, 327 as well as 350 cu. in. engines. How do you know yours isn't a 302?
Your comment "I can't believe none of you C3 guys can't figure this one out?" infers that there is some mysterious secret bank of data or decoder ring from a cereal box that is unique to C3s guys, and that we're either holding out on you or we're too dumb to use it.
I can assure you that neither is the case.
see: http://www.mortec.com/castnum.htm ...
3991492 - 1970 - 350ci LT1, Camel hump, accessory holes, 64cc, straight plug
3991492 - 1970up - LT1 service over the counter, Camel hump, 64cc, straight or angle plug
The head dates are h190 (August 19, 1970) and w153 (there is no "w" date - check that again - rest is 15th of some month, 1973)
As for the block, if the casting date is 183, that would be January 8, 1973 (3 number date codes are not very common) ... If it is I83, that would be September 8, 1973. See Corvette by the Numbers, Alan Colvin ...
I checked the right head and it is a W with either a slanted 1 or maybe a slash / and then 53. Any way the cast could have had an upside down letter and should be an M vs W?
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It is very unlikely that the owner in 1973-74 took it back to a dealer and had them put a new motor in it that matched the spec of the original motor. The dollars involved to do that- especially during the gas crunch- would defy any logic.
1973 was 34 years ago. How do you honestly expect anybody to know what has happened to your car and the mystery motor during that time period.
You have a 1973 casting date block with an untraceable and non-decomposable CE number- beyond the simple sequence number. CE motors were a dime a dozen since they were offered throughout the 5-50 warranty program not just on Corvettes but pretty well on all platforms. Keep in mind that the 0010 casting number was used for 302, 327 as well as 350 cu. in. engines. How do you know yours isn't a 302?
Your comment "I can't believe none of you C3 guys can't figure this one out?" infers that there is some mysterious secret bank of data or decoder ring from a cereal box that is unique to C3s guys, and that we're either holding out on you or we're too dumb to use it.
I can assure you that neither is the case.
And to the rest of you
THANKS !
Terry




Terry
That was a sarcastic remark and I was not DISSING anyone. Thanks soo much for your comments. The guys in the C2 forum had a lot more good information so I'll leave you guys alone.
Last edited by Kensmith; Oct 6, 2008 at 10:50 AM.
The heads are over the counter 2.02/1.60 64cc LT1. Pistons dome 11:1 compression, Cam is nasty like the 30-30, solid lifters, aluminum 327/365 intake with Holley carb, 2 1/2" rams horns. my guess is that it is a copy of the 327/365 original motor but a CE replacement short block. I was told the CE replacement motors were used extensively when owners lost a rod damaging their original SHP motors!
Last edited by Kensmith; Oct 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM.
Maybe you would like to tell him he is wrong?
Sure hope all the C3 guys here are not as negative as you toward other Corvette enthusiasts
Yep, it's guys like you that causes posts like this! I'm sure the plant manager told you that CE short blocks were a common replacement. That would be correct- for engines that let go while still under the factory warranty coverage period. That's what warranties are for and most intelligent people take commercial advantage of them. Why buy a new engine when GM will give you one for 'free'?
The above does not apply to you or your car. Your CE engine was built (at the earliest) 8 years after your car. That gives it zero chance that it's a warranty replacement for your original engine.
As the antithesis of getting a free engine while under warranty, why would anybody buy a new engine from GM (at retail price$$$$) for an 8 year old car NOT under warranty? 1973 was the peak of the gas shortage, if anything people were parking high HP and BB gas guzzling cars, not buying new SHP engines for them
The plant manager might have had visibility of how many engines got replaced under warranty, but he would have little chance of knowing (or have cared) how many engines got replaced after the warranty period expired on cars 8, 18, 28 or 38+ years old.
You have shown no proof that your engine was installed 'new' by a dealer as a direct replacement- or any similar clues of it's origin that might add credibility to someone guessing what it is.
As stated way up above the CE program was not unique to Corvettes, SHP or otherwise. All Chev and I believe all GM products were covered by the 5/50 program, meaning that your engine could have been built to replace anything from a low HP dump truck to a no HP grannies' weekend churchmobile.
You seem fixated on and unable to let go of a unlikely premise- the owner of the car in 1973 installing a new, exact replacement 365HP over the counter short block from GM, and that nobody has touched the configuration of the engine since.
What's the chances of that happening vs. the probability of somebody dragging an engine out of the junkyard 10-20-30 years ago and simply installing the reusable top end bits on it? For all anybody knows this could be the tenth engine in your car, how would you know the difference?
Try to be realistic- as hard as it might be.

I'm sure the plant manager told you that CE short blocks were a common replacement. That would be correct- for engines that let go while still under the factory warranty coverage period. That's what warranties are for and most intelligent people take commercial advantage of them. Why buy a new engine when GM will give you one for 'free'?
The above does not apply to you or your car. Your CE engine was built (at the earliest) 8 years after your car. That gives it zero chance that it's a warranty replacement for your original engine.
As the antithesis of getting a free engine while under warranty, why would anybody buy a new engine from GM (at retail price$$$$) for an 8 year old car NOT under warranty? 1973 was the peak of the gas shortage, if anything people were parking high HP and BB gas guzzling cars, not buying new SHP engines for them
The plant manager might have had visibility of how many engines got replaced under warranty, but he would have little chance of knowing (or have cared) how many engines got replaced after the warranty period expired on cars 8, 18, 28 or 38+ years old.
You have shown no proof that your engine was installed 'new' by a dealer as a direct replacement- or any similar clues of it's origin that might add credibility to someone guessing what it is.
As stated way up above the CE program was not unique to Corvettes, SHP or otherwise. All Chev and I believe all GM products were covered by the 5/50 program, meaning that your engine could have been built to replace anything from a low HP dump truck to a no HP grannies' weekend churchmobile.
You seem fixated on and unable to let go of a unlikely premise- the owner of the car in 1973 installing a new, exact replacement 365HP over the counter short block from GM, and that nobody has touched the configuration of the engine since.
What's the chances of that happening vs. the probability of somebody dragging an engine out of the junkyard 10-20-30 years ago and simply installing the reusable top end bits on it? For all anybody knows this could be the tenth engine in your car, how would you know the difference?
Try to be realistic- as hard as it might be.


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