.... will drive naked to make weight.
HOLY CRAP!! Check this out!
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It was designed to hand the Italian cars their a$$es, just like the Cobra did back when it was released.
I, for one, am glad to see an American car built to perform to the standards of the high end European sports cars. I don't make a lot of distinction between European and Japanese - they're all imports and most Americans have been lead to believe that they're somehow better whether they are or not. Moreso than men, women have been taught that if an item carries a certain label and higher price, it must be better, even when shown that they're sometimes the same exact thing as another with a lower price tag and different label. I'm not saying that the Lambo's and Ferraris aren't top quality cars, but the name doesn't necessarily automatically make them better than anything we can produce here. The ones I've seen are high-strung, high rpm performers which generally equates to higher maintenance. BMW and Mercedes included, there's not a $75,000 - 100,000 European ride that will perform with the current Z06 in 1/4 mile, top end and handling combined.
The biggest problem with both - the Italian sports cars and the ZR1 - is finding a place in this country where you can take it out and stretch it's legs. The drag strip is fun but in one of this class car, it's like a 16 year old boy getting lucky in the back seat of mom's car - it's over before you really get to see what it's all about.
Screw 'em, I'm an American car guy, most particularly a Chevy man. An American Revolution, you bet your butt - if an American car manufacturer is going to survive over the long haul, I think it's going to be Chevy and the LS engine family is going to be the reason why.
Let the flames begin!
I, for one, am glad to see an American car built to perform to the standards of the high end European sports cars. I don't make a lot of distinction between European and Japanese - they're all imports and most Americans have been lead to believe that they're somehow better whether they are or not. Moreso than men, women have been taught that if an item carries a certain label and higher price, it must be better, even when shown that they're sometimes the same exact thing as another with a lower price tag and different label. I'm not saying that the Lambo's and Ferraris aren't top quality cars, but the name doesn't necessarily automatically make them better than anything we can produce here. The ones I've seen are high-strung, high rpm performers which generally equates to higher maintenance. BMW and Mercedes included, there's not a $75,000 - 100,000 European ride that will perform with the current Z06 in 1/4 mile, top end and handling combined.
The biggest problem with both - the Italian sports cars and the ZR1 - is finding a place in this country where you can take it out and stretch it's legs. The drag strip is fun but in one of this class car, it's like a 16 year old boy getting lucky in the back seat of mom's car - it's over before you really get to see what it's all about.
Screw 'em, I'm an American car guy, most particularly a Chevy man. An American Revolution, you bet your butt - if an American car manufacturer is going to survive over the long haul, I think it's going to be Chevy and the LS engine family is going to be the reason why.
Let the flames begin!
I'm an american car guy too, even if i'm italian.
I dont like ferraris nor lambos, too complicated, too hard manteinance, too secret its dinamics and engine structure...I like to play with my toys so they must be light, basic, QUICK and be able to accept my low knoledgeable hands for maintenance
Owing a ferrari would be like having those toys that come close into a plastic box...you can see but cannot touch!
Said this, i must admit ferraris are great pieces of race/road tecnology
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Holy crap was my first thought when I saw that goofy hood window...
Cool Vette otherwise.
Cool Vette otherwise.
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Drifting
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From: Springfield Illinois
I don't know how to start this with outgoing on a rant!!!
I sit here and think about what the car could of been and then I look at what is. To put this nicely, the ZR1 is a joke IMO. Too finish it off nice and short I'll add: It is sad when a bonestock 40 yr old choked down L88 with ply tires can accomplish a quarter mile in 11.5. Meanwhile, this supercharged LS9 6.2 600HP+ ZR1 is expected to get low 11's! WHICH MEANS THE L88 WITH ITS DISADVANTAGES WILL PRODUCE THE SAME RESULT OF THIS ZR1 A $100,000+ CAR!!!!!
I sit here and think about what the car could of been and then I look at what is. To put this nicely, the ZR1 is a joke IMO. Too finish it off nice and short I'll add: It is sad when a bonestock 40 yr old choked down L88 with ply tires can accomplish a quarter mile in 11.5. Meanwhile, this supercharged LS9 6.2 600HP+ ZR1 is expected to get low 11's! WHICH MEANS THE L88 WITH ITS DISADVANTAGES WILL PRODUCE THE SAME RESULT OF THIS ZR1 A $100,000+ CAR!!!!!
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Drifting
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From: Lubbock TX
A stock Z06 with good tires and a good driver can do low 11's. This thing has to be in the 10's IF it can get traction. With the current Z06's rated at 505, the published estimates only pick up 115hp with 10.5 lbs of boost? There has to be some gov't or insurance company BS in this estimate, just like GM's rating of the L-88 being less than the hydraulic cammed 427's in '68. That 620hp is with a relatively mild HYDRAULIC ROLLER CAM, it'll be nothing like the L-88 when t comes to streetability. Say what you want, that was/is still not an easy car to drive on the street with it's big solid flat tappet cam.
I remember either Car & Driver or Road & Track saying that the C6 with the Z06 engine is "the best engineered and built American car in history". With a few refinements and this new engine, it's still top-shelf and something I'm looking forward to seeing what it can REALLY do once it's released.
I remember either Car & Driver or Road & Track saying that the C6 with the Z06 engine is "the best engineered and built American car in history". With a few refinements and this new engine, it's still top-shelf and something I'm looking forward to seeing what it can REALLY do once it's released.
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From: rochester n y
[QUOTE=L88Plus;1563276122]It was designed to hand the Italian cars their a$$es, just like the Cobra did back when it was released.
I, for one, am glad to see an American car built to perform to the standards of the high end European sports cars. I don't make a lot of distinction between European and Japanese - they're all imports and most Americans have been lead to believe that they're somehow better whether they are or not. Moreso than men, women have been taught that if an item carries a certain label and higher price, it must be better, even when shown that they're sometimes the same exact thing as another with a lower price tag and different label. I'm not saying that the Lambo's and Ferraris aren't top quality cars, but the name doesn't necessarily automatically make them better than anything we can produce here. The ones I've seen are high-strung, high rpm performers which generally equates to higher maintenance. BMW and Mercedes included, there's not a $75,000 - 100,000 European ride that will perform with the current Z06 in 1/4 mile, top end and handling combined.
The biggest problem with both - the Italian sports cars and the ZR1 - is finding a place in this country where you can take it out and stretch it's legs. The drag strip is fun but in one of this class car, it's like a 16 year old boy getting lucky in the back seat of mom's car - it's over before you really get to see what it's all about.
Screw 'em, I'm an American car guy, most particularly a Chevy man. An American Revolution, you bet your butt - if an American car manufacturer is going to survive over the long haul, I think it's going to be Chevy and the LS engine family is going to be the reason why.
I LOVE that kind of talk ! Happy Holidays. Save the Wave.>George
I, for one, am glad to see an American car built to perform to the standards of the high end European sports cars. I don't make a lot of distinction between European and Japanese - they're all imports and most Americans have been lead to believe that they're somehow better whether they are or not. Moreso than men, women have been taught that if an item carries a certain label and higher price, it must be better, even when shown that they're sometimes the same exact thing as another with a lower price tag and different label. I'm not saying that the Lambo's and Ferraris aren't top quality cars, but the name doesn't necessarily automatically make them better than anything we can produce here. The ones I've seen are high-strung, high rpm performers which generally equates to higher maintenance. BMW and Mercedes included, there's not a $75,000 - 100,000 European ride that will perform with the current Z06 in 1/4 mile, top end and handling combined.
The biggest problem with both - the Italian sports cars and the ZR1 - is finding a place in this country where you can take it out and stretch it's legs. The drag strip is fun but in one of this class car, it's like a 16 year old boy getting lucky in the back seat of mom's car - it's over before you really get to see what it's all about.
Screw 'em, I'm an American car guy, most particularly a Chevy man. An American Revolution, you bet your butt - if an American car manufacturer is going to survive over the long haul, I think it's going to be Chevy and the LS engine family is going to be the reason why.
I LOVE that kind of talk ! Happy Holidays. Save the Wave.>George
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Drifting
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From: Springfield Illinois
A stock Z06 with good tires and a good driver can do low 11's. This thing has to be in the 10's IF it can get traction. With the current Z06's rated at 505, the published estimates only pick up 115hp with 10.5 lbs of boost? There has to be some gov't or insurance company BS in this estimate, just like GM's rating of the L-88 being less than the hydraulic cammed 427's in '68. That 620hp is with a relatively mild HYDRAULIC ROLLER CAM, it'll be nothing like the L-88 when t comes to streetability. Say what you want, that was/is still not an easy car to drive on the street with it's big solid flat tappet cam.
I remember either Car & Driver or Road & Track saying that the C6 with the Z06 engine is "the best engineered and built American car in history". With a few refinements and this new engine, it's still top-shelf and something I'm looking forward to seeing what it can REALLY do once it's released.
I remember either Car & Driver or Road & Track saying that the C6 with the Z06 engine is "the best engineered and built American car in history". With a few refinements and this new engine, it's still top-shelf and something I'm looking forward to seeing what it can REALLY do once it's released.
Yeah, there is 40 yrs of technology in between.. The L88 would still spank the Z06 with its 15 X 8 Ply tires that my L82 could easily light up! What does the Z06 have? A 19X12 tire that wouldn't even compare to best drag radial and some slicks for the time (60's)! Maybe the L88's aren't as streetable as most other engines, but they are streetable and many installed that cam in their 396s and 427s.
The best I've seen an L88 in its bonestock form produce is 11.54. That is with its restrictive exhaust and crappy tires. I would imagine it would also has the AIR, but I am not sure. The best I've seen a Z06 produce is 11.9/12.0 in its bone stock form. Of course, people have put on headers and drag radials and got 11.2 out of a Z06, but do the same to the L88...
Drifting
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From: Springfield Illinois
It was designed to hand the Italian cars their a$$es, just like the Cobra did back when it was released.
I, for one, am glad to see an American car built to perform to the standards of the high end European sports cars. I don't make a lot of distinction between European and Japanese - they're all imports and most Americans have been lead to believe that they're somehow better whether they are or not. Moreso than men, women have been taught that if an item carries a certain label and higher price, it must be better, even when shown that they're sometimes the same exact thing as another with a lower price tag and different label. I'm not saying that the Lambo's and Ferraris aren't top quality cars, but the name doesn't necessarily automatically make them better than anything we can produce here. The ones I've seen are high-strung, high rpm performers which generally equates to higher maintenance. BMW and Mercedes included, there's not a $75,000 - 100,000 European ride that will perform with the current Z06 in 1/4 mile, top end and handling combined.
The biggest problem with both - the Italian sports cars and the ZR1 - is finding a place in this country where you can take it out and stretch it's legs. The drag strip is fun but in one of this class car, it's like a 16 year old boy getting lucky in the back seat of mom's car - it's over before you really get to see what it's all about.
Screw 'em, I'm an American car guy, most particularly a Chevy man. An American Revolution, you bet your butt - if an American car manufacturer is going to survive over the long haul, I think it's going to be Chevy and the LS engine family is going to be the reason why.
Let the flames begin!
I, for one, am glad to see an American car built to perform to the standards of the high end European sports cars. I don't make a lot of distinction between European and Japanese - they're all imports and most Americans have been lead to believe that they're somehow better whether they are or not. Moreso than men, women have been taught that if an item carries a certain label and higher price, it must be better, even when shown that they're sometimes the same exact thing as another with a lower price tag and different label. I'm not saying that the Lambo's and Ferraris aren't top quality cars, but the name doesn't necessarily automatically make them better than anything we can produce here. The ones I've seen are high-strung, high rpm performers which generally equates to higher maintenance. BMW and Mercedes included, there's not a $75,000 - 100,000 European ride that will perform with the current Z06 in 1/4 mile, top end and handling combined.
The biggest problem with both - the Italian sports cars and the ZR1 - is finding a place in this country where you can take it out and stretch it's legs. The drag strip is fun but in one of this class car, it's like a 16 year old boy getting lucky in the back seat of mom's car - it's over before you really get to see what it's all about.
Screw 'em, I'm an American car guy, most particularly a Chevy man. An American Revolution, you bet your butt - if an American car manufacturer is going to survive over the long haul, I think it's going to be Chevy and the LS engine family is going to be the reason why.
Let the flames begin!
I missed your post when I went the first time around.. My whole point for my rant is that ZR1 is not much better than the Z06 IMO. I like the car because I know it would whoop any Lambo or Ferrari, but I hate because its not what I think it could be. At the end of the day, the car weighs about 3400 lbs and has approx. 620 HP. A C3 can be built for much less than the new ZR1 and could beat it in acceleration and handle on the same level with it (with the right suspension of course). I am a Chevy guy just like you and it makes me happy that Chevrolet is back into the game of handing the europeans there a$$ like it once did. Take the L88 for example, I would like a person to name one car that the L88 would not beat. Ford with their 427 Cobra couldn't even put the spanking to the L88, and the car was almost 1,000 lbs lighter!!!!
