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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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A simple one:

...Do you think that to keep the oil level at the max read on the level stick could somehow harm piston rings?
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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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At full level will not harm anything, however overservice will cause problems and the most common is a blown front seal. In normal driving (and we know you don't do that...) a little under service is harmless untill serviced.
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Originally Posted by FatCat Blue 80
.....In normal driving (and we know you don't do that...) ........



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Fatcat, i dont know if i got it right...you mean that in normal driving, at full level, it won't harm the engine, instead if at full revs it could blow the front seal?

Sorry, i dont get the meaning of 'service' in your sentence.

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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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GM recomended running 1 quart over full for hot laps. No harm, no foul but I would not bother unless you were suffering from a dry pan while at the track.

-Mark.
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At the full level will be the recomended amount of oil in the crankcase. At the bottom of the so called full marking you are a quart low. It will not harm anything at the full level. Should be a good thing to run full level because at max rpm a lot of the oil is "upstairs" in the motor and you do not want to start sucking air.
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I red somewhere that racers drive 'empty' cranks to get the full power potential and reduce to minimum the oil density negative inertia on the motor...

I never drove my 406 at full level, always kept it accurately a bit lower then half reading on the stick...y'day i had a full oil/filter service and wanted for the first time fill it up.. but now i'm not sure if i did the right thing...just wanted to ask opinions before i go suck a quarter back out of the crankcase.
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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 01:15 PM
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Overfilling oil into your engine can cause problems too. As the crankshaft rotates it will churn the oil, causing aeration and eventually sustained foam may form. This can lead to overheated motor oil, oxidation and a loss of oil pressure. Spongy aerated oil is hard to pump. It starves the engine and critical lubricated surfaces.

Don't think I would exceed 1/4" over full mark....just to be safe...

What grade/vicosity you running ?

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What grade/vicosity you running ?

Rich

...fully sinthetic 5/50.
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Originally Posted by panic
I red somewhere that racers drive 'empty' cranks to get the full power potential and reduce to minimum the oil density negative inertia on the motor...
Dry sump. Worth a few HP and the oil sump never gets uncovered. I can't imagine a wet sump system running "empty"
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Originally Posted by panic
...fully sinthetic 5/50.
If you are running engine really hard...ie high rpms, you may consider 20/50....just saying.....
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Originally Posted by Gordonm
Dry sump. Worth a few HP and the oil sump never gets uncovered. I can't imagine a wet sump system running "empty"
Gordon, i didnt mean dry sumps...i think there are race cars that run with the minimum oil level in their engines, to avoid the oil weight inertia (which would eat some power)
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Originally Posted by rihwoods
If you are running engine really hard...ie high rpms, you may consider 20/50....just saying.....
I've been using Motul competition 15/50 sintethic oil (last two changes) during last spring/summer period, i wanted now to get something thinner like a 5/50, more likely for cold starts, specially during winter season.

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Originally Posted by stingr69
GM recomended running 1 quart over full for hot laps. No harm, no foul but I would not bother unless you were suffering from a dry pan while at the track.

-Mark.
That's what an ex-corvette engineer told me at my last HPDE. He was my instructor and said that in the higher speed corners my oil pressure was going from 80+ psi down to 20 psi due to lack of oil. He had me put an extra quart of oil in to help eliminate the problem for the last couple of sessions.
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