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Old May 21, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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Pulling air from the cowl area is a race proven technique. I disagree there won't be enough cold air available. Look at the earlier photo of the yarn at 30 mph.
And once again we're not talking about racing or applications other than 1973-75 Corvettes. The car in the photo is an earlier year car with an aftermarket design hood and intake.
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Old May 21, 2008 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
And once again we're not talking about racing or applications other than 1973-75 Corvettes. The car in the photo is an earlier year car with an aftermarket design hood and intake.
While that's certainly true as far as air flow goes, I think he was trying to demonstrate the priciple of higher aire pressure at the base of the windshield. Those little strings really illustrate that it works. Just doesn't show how much flow there is.
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Old May 23, 2008 | 07:08 AM
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took mine out and cleaned it all up then put it back on.....works great and just like the posted add stated!
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Old May 23, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CA-Legal-Vette
While that's certainly true as far as air flow goes, I think he was trying to demonstrate the priciple of higher aire pressure at the base of the windshield. Those little strings really illustrate that it works. Just doesn't show how much flow there is.
That is true....

I could not fit my vane anomometer to measure velocities thru cowl,but underhood temps dropped 25 degrees just driving hwy speeds during test...(just 7 miles)...that proves cowl induction works and probably much better in a working 73/74 system.....note that at "idle" ,yarn does not get sucked into cowl as engine fan blows air out...that all changes when vette reaches at least 30 mph....so with vette in motion,air off windshield overcomes air exhausted thru cowl by engine fan...

This pic was taken at "idle"...note yarn is being blown towards windshield...



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Old May 23, 2008 | 08:46 AM
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Thanks Rich. That's fascinating; underhood temps dropped 25* at speed. My original question seemed so simple at the time....
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Old May 23, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by paul67
Thanks Rich. That's fascinating; underhood temps dropped 25* at speed. My original question seemed so simple at the time....
I was careful with temp readings because I knew that would be a good indicator of what was happening between firewall and air cleaner...
(Ambient outside air temps the day I did test was 80 F)......I took temps at air cleaner to gage temperature drop(before run/after run)....Quite frankly,I was suprised....

I'm going to repeat test in a few weeks,except this time take video's...

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Old May 23, 2008 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lon Wayne
Mine worked but I took it all the way out Then I put A red light up in the same area.So now when I floor it I get the four barrell and A red light form way under the hood it looks cool (but not like the cops or anything).It looks like A Fire you know something we all dont want under our Hoods.
How about a disco ball and sound chip that play's "Disco Inferno" (burn, baby, burn)


that'd be K L
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Old May 23, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rihwoods
I was careful with temp readings because I knew that would be a good indicator of what was happening between firewall and air cleaner...
(Ambient outside air temps the day I did test was 80 F)......I took temps at air cleaner to gage temperature drop(before run/after run)....Quite frankly,I was suprised....

I'm going to repeat test in a few weeks,except this time take video's...

Rich
To be a true indicator of how effective your system is, try blocking off all sources of ram air leading to the underhood area. Then measure the temperature drop to see if it's close to the 25* you had with the duct open.

If I get ambitious, I'll measure what happens to airflow and temps on my '73 under three conditions:
  1. door opens in response the floor switch
  2. door open at all times
  3. door disabled, closed

But I'm not expecting miracles.
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I'd actually be very interested in what you find. Rich's setup has the advantage of a much larger cross section for flow than does ours. I doubt you'd see the same change in underhood temps that he does, but if you were able to isolate the air temp in the air cleaner or, better yet, on the inside of the air filter, I think you'd see a difference.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
To be a true indicator of how effective your system is, try blocking off all sources of ram air leading to the underhood area. Then measure the temperature drop to see if it's close to the 25* you had with the duct open.
Most air I get from front of the vette goes thru radiator...so that is heated ambient air as my coolant temps in the 69 run around 195 + or so...don't know what I'd prove doing that...

Here is an interesting comparison of ram air to cowl induction...

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...car/index.html
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Old May 23, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rihwoods
.don't know what I'd prove doing that...
Unless I misunderstood, you mentioned that your under hood temps drop by 25* with the car in motion, and have attributed that drop to the flow of cool air coming from the cowl induction.

My suggestion was to perform the same test with the cowl induction blocked to see if you still get a temperature drop (or not).

The difference in temps (blocked vs. open) will indicate how much of a benefit your cowl induction is.

I would perform a similar test on my '73 with the stock GM components in place.
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Old May 23, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
Unless I misunderstood, you mentioned that your under hood temps drop by 25* with the car in motion, and have attributed that drop to the flow of cool air coming from the cowl induction.

My suggestion was to perform the same test with the cowl induction blocked to see if you still get a temperature drop (or not).

The difference in temps (blocked vs. open) will indicate how much of a benefit your cowl induction is.

I would perform a similar test on my '73 with the stock GM components in place.
Now I'm clear on your suggestion...I can do that....and would be a good comparison.....I can do it in a couple weeks...working on some things at the moment...

Rich
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Old May 27, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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The corvette cowl induction was a functional design from everthing i have read where as some hood scoops like the Pontic GTO used were too low in the boundry layer and not effective at all.
The idea is the carburetor air cleaner is sealed to the hood passage feed by the cowl area where air is pileling up at the base of the windshield. This air source is also cooler than what makes into the eng compart via the radiator.
Its just a cooler air source at a little higher pressure than what the eng comp is at.
There are some critical dimisions to ensure air flow all the way to carb at higher press. But again from what i have read the corvette cowl induction did help horse power and somewhat a free hp lunch. And u will see a nearly idential cowl induction on every NASCAR racing vehical still today.
It would be a job and halve to do the testing on a vette with cowl induct and then without it and i don't have any numbers to prove this system works on our C3s. But my money is bet on that it works. Well best of luck to anyone that makes the effort here to prove or disprove it.


Let it breath and good luck Paul,
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 12:01 AM
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I drove mine today, I floored it coming up outta first, sounded way cool...... < this is what happened to my face so that's why it should be on a 'Vette
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