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I think it's a cool system but I can recall seeing a LOT of C4s, and F-body cars with sagging or single headlights. The electric pop-ups are not without their issues.
I think it's a cool system but I can recall seeing a LOT of C4s, and F-body cars with sagging or single headlights. The electric pop-ups are not without their issues.
As a third-gen F-Body owner, I can attest to the imperfection of these headlights as well. I can remember three times I had my '85 Trans Am in the shop to fix headlight issues. In 12 years of owning my '71, I've never had a problem with the vacuum operated headlights (I'm knocking on wood right now).
Buy a C2. But seriously, folks.... You have a C3 and the vacuum system is very reliable--once you understand it and have fixed what is wrong. You will spend a lot of money and time converting to an electrical system and it won't take but a few hours to fix what you already have. Invest $15 in a vacuum system diagram and troubleshooting guide [avaliable at most of the Vette suppliers] and $25 in a vacuum gauge and fittings. Read it, follow it and find your problems in a day. Fix it for low $$$ unless you have to replace actuators (which is not that likely). In any event, replacement parts won't cost what the conversion will. Good luck, either way.
I think it's a cool system but I can recall seeing a LOT of C4s, and F-body cars with sagging or single headlights. The electric pop-ups are not without their issues.
I agree, I was going to do the conversion but decided to stay with the original system. If maintained properly it perform's as good if not better than the F-body motor's. That being said, the F-body motor's do look cool when working right....TM
So do the vacuum operated headlights....for about 2 seconds going from down to up [and vice versa]. Not much of a reason [IMHO] for switching.
spent $50 on the complete hose kit,a new one way valve that is right there at the intake,rebuilt both acuators,so maybe under $100 to rebuild the system,and they work great with no problems,and my motor only has 9"hg vacume at an idle.
As a third-gen F-Body owner, I can attest to the imperfection of these headlights as well. I can remember three times I had my '85 Trans Am in the shop to fix headlight issues. In 12 years of owning my '71, I've never had a problem with the vacuum operated headlights (I'm knocking on wood right now).
If you replace the nylon gears with brass ones (they are available) the electric ones won't fail.
For the time, money, and hassle, you could just fix your orignal vaccum lights. Once fixed corrcetly, they work fine.
I have had C2 and C4 Corvettes and yes they have their issues. One advantage to the C3 vacume is you can quickly pull them up by hand. Not so for any ele motor driven light; you have to crank them up and down if the motor or gear malfunction.
For the time, money, and hassle, you could just fix your orignal vaccum lights. Once fixed corrcetly, they work fine.
Sorry, I have to disagree with you there. It was no hassle at all to install electric headlights and now I only have two things in the system that could ever fail - L/H motor and R/H motor and I put brass CNC gears in them so the chances of them failing is pretty slim. How many individual items in the vacuum system could fail and cause the lights not to go up or down? One tiny pissant vacuum leak and the lights take for ever to move etc...
Now, I pull the headlight switch and the lights are straight up. Turn the lights off and they are down straight away.
Buying everything new, expect to pay around $700 to convert to electric. I bought 2 new motors from eBay and paid around $350 for them and everything else I needed. What would it cost to replace everything vacuum? At least $400?
I bought the healight actuators, rods pigtails and the computer for $50 out of a parts car. Just fabbed up some brackets out of sheet metal the I powder coated and they work just fine. I have maybe $75 in parts, fasteners, and material. And the fact i lost about 30 ft of hose. My car is not a ncrs anyway so I thought why not. If you want it just do it. Dont worry about what others say. By the way I got the parts off of craigs list. a few months ago. At the time there were 3 93-95 firebird parts cars on there. I offered $50 and saw who bit.
As said, every system has its issues. The issue that a C4 has is the hard jelly they put in it to keep the gear turning on the shaft. That jelly turns to dust over the years and the gear won't move. It was designed to "give" if it got in a bind. So now you replace it with nylon pellets that hold that gear to the shaft so it will turn.
BTW, for those of you that put that brass gear in there, I would much rather replace the plastic gear if something got bound up rather than the long spider gear coming from the motor. With that brass gear, I see disaster if the spider gear kept turning but the brass one got stuck. But thats just me and my opinion.
that is exactly what i want mine to do and wires are so much more hideable where and how do i get all the things to make the change any info is helpful.
that is exactly what i want mine to do and wires are so much more hideable where and how do i get all the things to make the change any info is helpful.
Talk to Chris at mcspeed.com. He should be able to put a complete kit together for you...