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I'm not paying $189.00 for a clock. Call my crazy but I'm not. Some of the money they get for this stuff is ridiculous. I mean really, its a clock! So what do you guys do? Is there another guage I could put in there? A blank maybe that looks nice? Is there a right up on repairing the clock? A cheap digital one would be nice. Do they make one? Before I put the dash back together with a clock thats stuck at 1:25 from now to eternity I'd like to know if theres something else to consider.
I don't recall where I got my quartz conversion from but it has been working flawless for about 5 years now. It's nice to see one with the clock working.
Good luck
If you don't care about originality, Quartz is the way to go. I did mine over 3 years ago and it still works fine. It looks original and keeps accurate time.
I left it broke, Ive got a watch, a cell phone (with a clock), and there are about 400 banks on Joplin all with time and temperature on the sign outside
But you know someone did a great write up on how to repair the original movements the other day. I agreed with everything he had on there except one thing and it was no big deal.
I repair the original movements, but the time involved to do one and the pure fact that they could dump in six months. . . Well to me I would just do the quartz conversion. I have boxes of original used movements if this tells you anything. Unless you are going NCRS and need the ticking noise the quartz conversion is easy to do, and will save you money in the long run.
This coming from a guy that rebuilt his 62 clock 15 years ago and it's still working. . . Go figure, but it is a different style (and better) movement than the Borg movement used in 1963-1979.
Willcox Inc.
Last edited by Willcox Corvette; May 24, 2009 at 11:50 PM.
I repaired my clock, but apparently I did not put the hour hand on correctly as it is always 1 something...the second and minute hand work perfectly.
This is odd!
One thing people do not check is the clutch in the old clock. The clock movement when installed relies on the clutch to function. This clutch can bind up, and/or become too loose. They should always be check for just a slight amount of tension when turned by hand. If they are bound up you will need to clean it out before installing the new movement.
In the instruction sheet to do the installation, there is a section on how to check this clutch.
But back to the Wer2xu post. About the only thing that would cause this would be the clutch. If the hand is not on properly or if the tension on the hour hand is opened up to large when removed it will usually fall downward and not show 1 o’clock. Thus my original “odd” sentence at the top.
I don’t have a movement or clock here to look at but you might have a gear problem or the clutch may be defective. The second hand runs directly from the movement, but the hour and minute hand rely on the clutch and the gears that drive it to operation properly.
I'm not paying $189.00 for a clock. Call my crazy but I'm not. Some of the money they get for this stuff is ridiculous. I mean really, its a clock! So what do you guys do? Is there another guage I could put in there? A blank maybe that looks nice? Is there a right up on repairing the clock? A cheap digital one would be nice. Do they make one? Before I put the dash back together with a clock thats stuck at 1:25 from now to eternity I'd like to know if theres something else to consider.
Thanks
You have some long days ahead of you in this hobby. Might be time to look towards a different make.
I am usually able to clean and apply light machine oil to get them working again. The hardest part is getting them to run accurately. The adjustment arm is very stiff and the slightest movement makes a big difference.
It takes about 2 weeks of adjusting and checking and re-adjusting to get it to be accurate.
At one point I had three of them going at once for friends of mine. Two of them kept stopping. Then I found out that they both had broken balance wheel axles. Must have come from vehicles that were involved in major impacts.
I like the original movements but fixing them is tedious.
I have not checked this on a c3 movement, but on most Borg movements, if you turn the clock backwards 12 hours it should slow down and if you turn it forwards 12 hours it should speed up. Please don't hold me to this and I may just be crazy! Try it out! If I'm right it will save you adjustment time and if I'm wrong. . . Well I'm sorry! But it shoud work instead of moving hte adjustment lever.
If I get a chance this week I'll tear one down and see if I'm right.
I bought the quartz conversion kit over 14 years ago and finally got around to doing the conversion recently. The kit I bought looks exactly like the same box Willcox sells so it's probably the same manufacturer. Since conversion the quartz clock has kept perfect time since.
It wasn't very hard to convert. The kit utilized the original face plate so it doesn't say "quartz" across the face like other conversion kits available. It also used the same hour, minute and second hands and I think the one metal gear. All you're doing is replacing the movement mechanism and putting in new plastic gears.
A few got-ya's to watch out for -
1) be careful when you begin to take the movement out of the clock's metal casing. Take it slow unbending those metal tabs that hold the casing together so you don't break off the tabs. IIRC it was three tabs made of cheap metal!
1) also be careful the gears don't fall out during disassembly before you get a chance to see which gears go where or how they're positioned on the back of the movement. Once I opened mine up the whole thing fell out and landed on my kitchen table in pieces so I had to spend some extra time trying to figure out the gears setup (which gear went on the bottom of another gear). The instruction page and diagram included in the kit helped resolve that.
I have not checked this on a c3 movement, but on most Borg movements, if you turn the clock backwards 12 hours it should slow down and if you turn it forwards 12 hours it should speed up. Please don't hold me to this and I may just be crazy! Try it out! If I'm right it will save you adjustment time and if I'm wrong. . . Well I'm sorry! But it shoud work instead of moving hte adjustment lever.
If I get a chance this week I'll tear one down and see if I'm right.
Willcox Inc.
I have one in a box. I'll get it out and set it up on the charger tomorrow and give it a whirl.
Once I determine if it works, I'll let you know.
cc
PS, any idea how much it speeds up or slows down per 12 hour turn?
Last edited by CCrane65; May 25, 2009 at 01:01 AM.
I don't remember! I'm sorry, but it's just been too long since I've done one of these personally. Victor does them in my shop, I'm sure he would know the answer to my statement or question. I don't even remember which movement this applied to, but I do know that on some movements it works.
I know. . . I should know this but I just can't remember.
I oiled mine at least once & sold it working.
Replaced w/ oil temp gauge from 80s.
Originally Posted by Willcox Corvette
CC,
I have not checked this on a c3 movement, but on most Borg movements, if you turn the clock backwards 12 hours it should slow down and if you turn it forwards 12 hours it should speed up. Please don't hold me to this and I may just be crazy! Try it out! If I'm right it will save you adjustment time and if I'm wrong. . . Well I'm sorry! But it shoud work instead of moving hte adjustment lever.
If I get a chance this week I'll tear one down and see if I'm right.
Willcox Inc.
With all due respect this is first I have heard of 12 hrs. & it is probably not correct at least on 77.
When the clock is advanced it speeds up & turned back it slows- only a little each time. Mine ran fine until Daylight saving time, then if one moved the clock just a little each day it would get back on time w/o ever moving it 12 hrs.