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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 08:07 PM
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Inspired by another thread, I am wondering how the L68 would match up against the LT1.
Any data out there?

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That can depend on a lot of things...what year LT-1? Three years of production and three different horsepower ratings. Rear axle ratios can be different as well.

Let's say 1970 LT-1...370hp and against a '69 L68...400hp. Not a whole lot of difference at gross hp ratings. The LT-1 weighs less, the 427 will put out more torque, so it's quickness against pure torque...which one?

The LT-1 is a solid lifter engine...the L68 is hydraulic so the small block should wind out higher...maybe higher top ends.

The LT-1 is a high revver and lives for high rpm's. The L68 is more low end and mid-range and drivability. The LT-1 is a better balanced car so it would likely handle somewhat better.

Everything else being equal...I say the difference is in the drivers...the better driver will win, regardless of the two cars.
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the LT-1s are great engines, but if not geared right there a little doggy down low, with the same gearing a L68 would take any Lt-1 in a straight line, LT-1 would be a better track car.
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Originally Posted by Roughrider
The LT-1 is a solid lifter engine...the L68 is hydraulic so the small block should wind out higher...maybe higher top ends.

The LT-1 is a high revver and lives for high rpm's. The L68 is more low end and mid-range and drivability. The LT-1 is a better balanced car so it would likely handle somewhat better.

Everything else being equal...I say the difference is in the drivers...the better driver will win, regardless of the two cars.
Often I see high revs being associated with the solid lifter motor. Aren't revs a function of flow and cam profile/heads/intake? How does the solid lifter vs hydraulic effect this? I'm just a little lost on the theory.

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Originally Posted by AvRog
Often I see high revs being associated with the solid lifter motor. Aren't revs a function of flow and cam profile/heads/intake? How does the solid lifter vs hydraulic effect this? I'm just a little lost on the theory.

Later, Rog.
Hydraulic valve lifters can "float" at high rpm's where solid lifters won't. Everything else being equal, a solid lifter engine can rev higher than a hydraulic one. The downside...solid lifter engines require more maintenance to keep the lifters adjusted. Hydraulic lifters are self-regulating in comparison and quieter...no "clack-clack" that solids have, though to many that's music to their ears.
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So one could bank on the hydraulic lifter behavior and design cam and and accompanying components to compensate. I'm guessing this was not done in the 60/70's?
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I don't know what you mean by compensate, but a hydraulic lifter will be done by 6000-6500 rpm. A solid lifter can spin as fast as the valve springs will allow.
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I don't know what you mean by compensate, but a hydraulic lifter will be done by 6000-6500 rpm. A solid lifter can spin as fast as the valve springs will allow.
That's my quesion, what about the hydraulic lifter limits the rotation of the engine. They ride on the cam the same as a solid lifter.
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I poked around a little bit and found a reference giving 1/4 mile stats for the 70 Corvette LT1 at 14.17 at 102+ MPH. I actually remember that test but can't remember which mag did it. Another source gave 1/4 mile stats for the 68 Corvette L68 at 14.1 at 102 MPH. That test was done by Car and Driver mag. Looks like a driver's race.
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Originally Posted by AvRog
That's my quesion, what about the hydraulic lifter limits the rotation of the engine. They ride on the cam the same as a solid lifter.
Hydraulic lifters will pump up at high rpm and not let the valves close completely. This is what limits their rpm capability.
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Originally Posted by bashcraft
Hydraulic lifters will pump up at high rpm and not let the valves close completely. This is what limits their rpm capability.
Makes sense, How do they get around that on modern vehicles.
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Originally Posted by AvRog
Makes sense, How do they get around that on modern vehicles.
They don't. You can buy anti-pump up lifters, but they extend the rpm range only marginally. If you're looking to spin a motor past 7000 rpm, you have no choice but to use solid lifters.
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They don't. You can buy anti-pump up lifters, but they extend the rpm range only marginally. If you're looking to spin a motor past 7000 rpm, you have no choice but to use solid lifters.
Thanks for the info. On a stock LT1, what are the ideal shift points on a 1/4 mile run?
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Originally Posted by AvRog
Thanks for the info. On a stock LT1, what are the ideal shift points on a 1/4 mile run?
I've never seen any horsepower charts so I can't say for sure, but back in the early '80's when I was racing mine, I was shifting it between 7000 and 7200 rpm. I later put a bigger cam in and was shifting at 7800rpm.
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Turning a Stock LT-1 7800rpm? I was told that most shifted the LT-1 around 6200.
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Originally Posted by RacinJason68
Turning a Stock LT-1 7800rpm? I was told that most shifted the LT-1 around 6200.
I can't believe that figure with stock rods inside the motor (which would have been located outside the motor rather quickly at those speeds.)

My $$$ would be on the L86 until the first corner or engine compartment fire (whichever occured first.)
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Originally Posted by RacinJason68
Turning a Stock LT-1 7800rpm? I was told that most shifted the LT-1 around 6200.
Well, I had a bigger cam and springs, a tunnel ram with 2-4 barrels, open exhaust and 4.56 gears. But the rest of the motor was a stock LT-1.
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I have had mine to 7000 rpm with no ill effects. I think shifting at 6200 is probably about right unless you can run out the finish with out shifting and them go for the overrive. Sure makes beautiful noise at 7000 though. Ed
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Originally Posted by bashcraft
Well, I had a bigger cam and springs, a tunnel ram with 2-4 barrels, open exhaust and 4.56 gears. But the rest of the motor was a stock LT-1.
Were you the IDIOT who cut the LT-1 hood on my wife's 70 roadster and exploded the clutch through the flooboards before putting on a poorly fitting scattershield? (Just kidding!)

First I thought, man what a bad carb fire this Vette must have went through, then after further study, I realized HEY! some EFFING idiot cut this hood to put a tunnel ram on the motor way back in the day (another reason why I know the Vette is a true 70 LT-1)
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