CE replacement engines?
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Racer
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From: Thurmont MD
CE replacement engines?
I vaguely remember someone posting (either here or another site?) that CE blocks were supposed to have been stamped with the vin on another part of the engine by the dealer doing the replacement(not on the vin pad where the CE is stamped)? The pad on the engine has the CE stamping and nothing else, I imagine even if this was supposed to happen it probably didnt get done much, but just interested if anyone knows...
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GM probably recommended a stamping format for the CE [warranty replacement & over-the-counter] engines. But dealerships did what they wanted and many had their own scheme. The only way to tie a CE engine back to a car and specific dealer is via the purchace invoice for that engine.
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Racer
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From: Thurmont MD
found it, this was on a camaro forum... anyone know if this was true procedure?
"The CE prefix represents a block replaced under the 5/50 warranty. The B is seen occasionally and its relevance is unknown. The final numbers represent the sequential number this block falls within the total number of GM replacements. If the installing GM dealer followed procedure a vin # will be stamped on the rough casting near the oil filter. "
ill check on my block and see if anything is there...
"The CE prefix represents a block replaced under the 5/50 warranty. The B is seen occasionally and its relevance is unknown. The final numbers represent the sequential number this block falls within the total number of GM replacements. If the installing GM dealer followed procedure a vin # will be stamped on the rough casting near the oil filter. "
ill check on my block and see if anything is there...
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found it, this was on a camaro forum... anyone know if this was true procedure?
"The CE prefix represents a block replaced under the 5/50 warranty. The B is seen occasionally and its relevance is unknown. The final numbers represent the sequential number this block falls within the total number of GM replacements. If the installing GM dealer followed procedure a vin # will be stamped on the rough casting near the oil filter. "
ill check on my block and see if anything is there...
"The CE prefix represents a block replaced under the 5/50 warranty. The B is seen occasionally and its relevance is unknown. The final numbers represent the sequential number this block falls within the total number of GM replacements. If the installing GM dealer followed procedure a vin # will be stamped on the rough casting near the oil filter. "
ill check on my block and see if anything is there...
Safety Car
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i doubt if very many dealers even had the stamps. i am sure laws stated that for identification and theft recovery that vin stamps needed to be placed on the engine.
some states even insist that engines have vin# stamped on them.
some overzealous DMVs will even try to impound the car... it's happened before...
some states even insist that engines have vin# stamped on them.
some overzealous DMVs will even try to impound the car... it's happened before...
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found it, this was on a camaro forum... anyone know if this was true procedure?
"The CE prefix represents a block replaced under the 5/50 warranty. The B is seen occasionally and its relevance is unknown. The final numbers represent the sequential number this block falls within the total number of GM replacements. If the installing GM dealer followed procedure a vin # will be stamped on the rough casting near the oil filter. "
ill check on my block and see if anything is there...
"The CE prefix represents a block replaced under the 5/50 warranty. The B is seen occasionally and its relevance is unknown. The final numbers represent the sequential number this block falls within the total number of GM replacements. If the installing GM dealer followed procedure a vin # will be stamped on the rough casting near the oil filter. "
ill check on my block and see if anything is there...
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JohnZ has an article about CE blocks in Corvette Enthusiast.
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I'm thinking the 5/50 warranty began about 1966 or so. Prior to that, the new vehicle warranty period had been 24 months. GM instigated the CE blocks to attempt to track the number of warranty engine replacements they were doing for new cars.
JohnZ has an article about CE blocks in Corvette Enthusiast.
JohnZ has an article about CE blocks in Corvette Enthusiast.
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found it, this was on a camaro forum... anyone know if this was true procedure?
"The CE prefix represents a block replaced under the 5/50 warranty. The B is seen occasionally and its relevance is unknown. The final numbers represent the sequential number this block falls within the total number of GM replacements. If the installing GM dealer followed procedure a vin # will be stamped on the rough casting near the oil filter. "
ill check on my block and see if anything is there...
"The CE prefix represents a block replaced under the 5/50 warranty. The B is seen occasionally and its relevance is unknown. The final numbers represent the sequential number this block falls within the total number of GM replacements. If the installing GM dealer followed procedure a vin # will be stamped on the rough casting near the oil filter. "
ill check on my block and see if anything is there...
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I'm thinking the 5/50 warranty began about 1966 or so. Prior to that, the new vehicle warranty period had been 24 months. GM instigated the CE blocks to attempt to track the number of warranty engine replacements they were doing for new cars.
JohnZ has an article about CE blocks in Corvette Enthusiast.
JohnZ has an article about CE blocks in Corvette Enthusiast.
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My recollection is that the 5 year/50,000 mile warranty only appied to the emissions related systems. The warranty on the drivetrain was 3 years/36,000 miles and the rest of the car was 12 months/12,000 miles. But, I've slept since then...so I may not be correct.
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Sounds about right. You didn't get much of a warranty back then. Cars generally lasted up to 100,000 miles or maybe 7 years?
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For you doubting Thomases, here's an article from 1962 talking about Chrysler's 5/50 warranty on the powertrain.
http://books.google.com/books?id=2Ns...rranty&f=false
Here's another article from 1966 announcing GM's copy cat version.
http://books.google.com/books?id=rNM...page&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=2Ns...rranty&f=false
Here's another article from 1966 announcing GM's copy cat version.
http://books.google.com/books?id=rNM...page&q&f=false
Melting Slicks
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It appears you are right.... The power train had a 5 year/50,000 mile warantee in 1970. Rest of the car had 12 month, 12,000 miles...
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca...t-454-corvette
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca...t-454-corvette
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