Muddywaters

You can stay together...just takes some thought! Lead car watches and gets a good jump on the light...this goes for the next 5 /6 cars...then if everyone stays tight...good chance eveyone gets through!!

If not....lead car (as stated above) pulls caravan over so rest of cars can join. To continue...if lead car has radio, so as to converse with last car.... on command, last car pulls out onto roadway...stopping public, from there all caravan cars resume Muddy

pauldana

Damn.... this is going to be fun.... my sons can run the escort thing in the old C5.... let the C3's be free.....just a thought

Muddywaters

Paul: Great idea I've heard this happening before! Muddy

Randy...that would make you a happy camper!! Yep...first remove that #8 valve spring...and take a real carefull look!!

Muddywaters

There ya go!!! And the boys would be happy!! LOL Muddy

682XLR8

I pulled the rocker arms off yesterday and tried to push down on the springs....no give. They do have what looks like an internal spring that I can't check with the springs assembled, could this be causing problems?

pauldana

That is the damper spring, it is made to help element harmonics of the spring, and it will help prevent the valve from hitting the piston in many cases (as it did for me) it he spring breaks. it can depend on where the spring is broken, if near the ends it can give the systems you speak of,... again, i know this because it happened to me.

For a valve to bend it usually has to hit the piston... over revving or valve float of some type..just double check the springs on that piston real good...

do you have a air compressor? put about 80psi through the spark-plug hole and listen to which valve is leaking, the exhaust or intake....

Muddywaters

It's my understanding Randy...it can. If I recall when I was trouble shooting my engine (slight miss) to check the inner valve spring...which is really hidden You can remove it... find a place to check compression! Muddy

Muddywaters

Randy..if you go TDC ( on # 8) ...pull keepers, spring, shouldn't you be able to move by hand valve stem up and down through the guide? Seems if it was bent...it would not be easy to do so? Just a thought....Muddy

pauldana

be carful not to drop the valve in the piston hole..you should always have air pressure in the spark plug hole when removing the spring and have that piston at TDC.

Muddywaters

Yes... I did use air when I replace all my valve seals. But you only need the air to reinstall the spring and keepers ..of course if (and make sure) the piston your workin on is at TDC!! Muddy

pauldana

gosh, i hope its not a real bad problem...

Muddywaters

Yea...sure hope not...but, already talked to Randy...and if he needs to pull engine, looks like a Norcal block party!! Muddy

682XLR8

OK, went out and pulled the spring, with the air compressor raving the whole time because of the leaky valve. There is an inner, a dampner, and an outer, none of which are broken or show any signs of damage.

I should have pointed out that this engine has had this problem for quite a while now, at first I thought it might be because of the stout cam I'm running(.565 lift, 286 duration), or an ignition issue(running MSD box and distributor), only recently that I've had the time to give this my full-on attention was I able to narrow it down. So the head will come off tomorrow, look for pix

Muddywaters

Oh well...so much for the easy way Lookn' for pic's Muddy

edit: Randy, you only need about 15/20 psi to hold the valve up!

pauldana

682XLR8

Yeah, I can never get a break


Didn't know that's all it took to hold the valves up.....but as badly as this valve leaks I don't know if 20 psi would have done it

pauldana

is the exhaust or intake valve bad?

682XLR8

It's the exhaust valve. When holding my ear up to the tailpipe with the air on I can definitely hear it/ feel a breeze. I pulled off the throttle body and can't hear/feel any air coming out

pauldana

ok... im trying some map things...

Tod, I went kind of by what you had, i just did not understand it 100% but i have stops with gas stations... we can modify the rout as needed...

lets see if this works...
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...e=UTF8&t=h&z=9


Driving directions to I-5 S
6 hours 0 mins
I-5 S
300 mi

Meet at Santa Monica Pear area
1. Head east on Ocean Front/The Promenade toward Seaside Terrace
148 ft
2. Turn left at Seaside Terrace
115 ft
3. Turn right at Appian Way
315 ft
4. Turn left at Pacific Terrace
358 ft
5. Turn left at Ocean Ave
476 ft
6. Turn left onto the Pacific Coast Hwy ramp
377 ft
7. Keep left at the fork and merge onto CA-1 N/Pacific Coast Hwy
35.0 mi
35.4 mi – about 46 mins

CA-1 N/Pacific Coast Hwy
8. Head west on CA-1 N/Pacific Coast Hwy
7.0 mi
9. Take exit 112 for Pleasant Valley Rd
0.7 mi
10. Turn left at CA-1 N/E Pleasant Valley Rd
0.1 mi
11. Take the 1st right onto CA-1 N/S Oxnard Blvd
5.8 mi
12. Turn right at Cross Ave
213 ft
13. Turn right
131 ft
14. Turn left
131 ft
13.7 mi – about 19 mins

Unknown road
15. Head southwest
131 ft
16. Turn right toward N Oxnard Blvd
131 ft
17. Turn left toward N Oxnard Blvd
213 ft
18. Take the 1st right onto N Oxnard Blvd
0.3 mi
19. Turn left to merge onto US-101 N
37.9 mi
20. Take exit 101A toward La Cumbre Rd
0.2 mi
21. Turn left at Calle Real
0.1 mi
22. Turn right
135 ft
23. Turn left
0.2 mi
38.8 mi – about 45 mins

Unknown road
24. Head north
33 ft
25. Turn left toward S La Cumbre Rd
161 ft
26. Turn right at S La Cumbre Rd
0.2 mi
27. Turn left at State St
0.5 mi
28. Take the 2nd right onto San Marcos Pass Rd
23.8 mi
24.6 mi – about 30 mins

CA-154 W/San Marcos Pass Rd
29. Head northwest on CA-154 W/San Marcos Pass Rd toward CA-246 W/Mission Dr
0.2 mi
30. Turn left at CA-246 W/Mission Dr
0.2 mi
0.4 mi – about 52 secs

CA-246 W/Mission Dr
31. Head west on CA-246 W/Mission Dr toward Meadowlark Rd
8.3 mi
8.3 mi – about 12 mins

CA-246 W
32. Head northwest on CA-246 W toward Avenue of Flags
98 ft
33. Take the 1st right onto Avenue of Flags
0.4 mi
34. Take the 2nd right onto Damassa St
0.1 mi
35. Turn left to merge onto US-101 N/Hwy 101 N
5.2 mi
36. Slight right onto the CA-154 ramp to Los Olivos/Lake Cachuma
0.2 mi
37. Turn right at CA-154 E/San Marcos Pass Rd
0.7 mi
6.6 mi – about 9 mins

CA-154 E/San Marcos Pass Rd
38. Head west on CA-154 W/San Marcos Pass Rd toward Zaca Canyon Rd/Zaca Station Rd
0.7 mi
39. Turn right to merge onto US-101 N/Hwy 101 N
27.7 mi
28.4 mi – about 28 mins

US-101 N
40. Head northwest on US-101 N
0.8 mi
41. Take exit 175 for CA-166 E toward Maricopa/Bakersfield
0.2 mi
42. Turn right at CA-166 E/Cuyama Hwy
62.0 mi
63.0 mi – about 1 hour 17 mins

CA-166 E
43. Head east on CA-166 E/CA-33 N toward CA-33 S
38.2 mi
38.2 mi – about 50 mins

CA-166 E/Maricopa Hwy

44. Head south toward CA-99 S
0.4 mi
45. Merge onto CA-99 S
3.2 mi
46. Merge onto I-5 S
39.5 mi
43.0 mi – about 44 mins

I-5 S

Tod M Elliott

Paul, there is fuel at the park and ride in Camarillo and if remember there's a station just across the street from La Cumbre Plaza.