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Old Feb 12, 2011 | 03:25 PM
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I was looking at my tank sticker and there is an order number AYR651
Can that be traced to anything at General Motors. I already checked the dealer and they are out of business. President Chevrolet in Quincy Mass


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Old Feb 12, 2011 | 03:44 PM
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You already have more information on your car than GM does. The only other thing you could get is the shipping information from the NCRS. All that contains is the car's build date, shipping weight and Dealer. Nothing else.
You are real lucky to have the build sheet.

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You already have more information on your car than GM does. The only other thing you could get is the shipping information from the NCRS. All that contains is the shipping weight and Dealer. Nothing else.
You are real lucky to have the build sheet.




Always nice to see tank stickers that clean !!!!!!
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Hi 69FF,
VERY nice tank sheet!
The only other place that I've seen the order number is on the Window Sticker. I'd think it appeared on other paperwork too.
Here's the tank sheet and window sticker from my 71. Order #GBT168.
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I am also missing the top left of the tank sticker is there any important information that I am missing??
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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 69FASTFUN
I am also missing the top left of the tank sticker is there any important information that I am missing??
Its missing the IDENT NO or the build sequence number assigned by the factory (think that's who assinged it). Nice document tho.

Did you not the 388 scrawled number in the right hand corner? Its the number used to track body panels during their fabrication. Factory scrawled it on the build sheet. Alan may have other insights on these early Corvette Order Copies.

The VIN number is more important to track post production documents than the order number. The order number was meant to be used temporarily until the vehicle was delivered so it appeared on all factory documents, Order Copy, dealer invoice and shipper copy. But as someone else commented, not much out there at this point for early C3s other than what NCRS offers.
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Hi 69ff,
Many of the tank sheets I see have the upper, left, corner of the sheet torn off.
There was an Identification # on that line of print. This was a Central Office number and not the vehicle identification or serial number. It was used by the Central Office for internal purposes to keep track of the dealer order and to identify the vehicle through production.
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Originally Posted by hunt4cleanair
Its missing the IDENT NO or the build sequence number assigned by the factory (think that's who assinged it). Nice document tho.

Did you not the 388 scrawled number in the right hand corner? Its the number used to track body panels during their fabrication. Factory scrawled it on the build sheet. Alan may have other insights on these early Corvette Order Copies.

The VIN number is more important to track post production documents than the order number. The order number was meant to be used temporarily until the vehicle was delivered so it appeared on all factory documents, Order Copy, dealer invoice and shipper copy. But as someone else commented, not much out there at this point for early C3s other than what NCRS offers.
The 388 is the last digits of my vin
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Originally Posted by 69FASTFUN
...I was looking at my tank sticker and there is an order number AYR651...Can that be traced to anything at General Motors.
General Motors, yes. Traced, probably not.

Dealership orders for new cars were sent to Detroit. In Detroit, the order number was assigned to track the vehicle through production. The dealer who ordered the car and the production facility where it would be assembled were sent the order numbers from Detroit on the initial paperwork.

The front office at the assembly plant in St. Louis received order #AYR651 to build a Corvette with the colors and options specified by the dealer and listed on what would become the build sheet.

Order numbers were not associated with VINs. Detroit would not have known which VIN would eventually be assigned to your car.

To my knowledge, there are no GM records associating order numbers with specific vehicles.

388 is the job number for your car and was assigned at the plant to identify your car on the assembly line before the VIN tag was attached. For some model years, the job number is 1 to 500 without regard to the last digits of the VIN; for other years, they flipped ahead to the last sheets of the Corvette order where the VIN was assigned and used the final three digits up to 500. Above 500, they usually subtracted 500 from the last three digits of the VIN for the job number. As you can see, 388 has nothing to do with your order number of AYR651.

Fro 68-72 models, Corvette orders at St. Louis were seven pages, bundled, tractor feed forms with carbons. The VIN appeared only on the last two pages which were, in effect, copies of what would become the window sticker. The forms were often held by the upper left corner when they were bursted, the tractor feeds removed, and the carbons pulled out. The result is a missing left corner torn away.

Once the bundle was burst, the various copies of the order went to various stations on the line. One of these copies was glued to the fuel tank and became the tank sticker.


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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 10:23 AM
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Thanks for the lesson, Mike. I find that information very interesting.
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435 hp 4.11 rear end.. what else do you need to know???
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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bkvette3
...I find that information very interesting.
Me too. I love funky stuff like that.

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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 02:42 PM
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Hi

Date received is 6/12/06 and date of prod is 6/00/00

What does this mean ?

Is this tank sheet from a early 69 Model ?

Rgds. Günther
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Here is a copy of my build sheet, (tank sticker, order copy), so you can see what was in the top left corner of yours. Seems to just be some kind of identification number.


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Hi gg,
Very NICE sheet!
If you're interested you can take a peek at my and Mike's posts to see a bit about the Identification Number.
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Hi Gunther,
My understanding is that the Corvette Order (7 pages) could be processed by the Central Office and then the expected date of production became available. A production date didn't need to be known before the order could be processed.
The Zone office was notified of that date and informed the dealer so the customer could be told.
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So, if buying a late 60's Corvette and the seller provides a tank sticker and claims the sticker is for that particular late 60's Corvette, how can that fact be verified with no VIN on the tank sticker?

And, are there documents around (possibly at NCRS) that can confirm the options on the tank sticker when compared with the VIN?

Thanks much.
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Originally Posted by Easy Mike

Fro 68-72 models, Corvette orders at St. Louis were seven pages, bundled, tractor feed forms with carbons. The VIN appeared only on the last two pages which were, in effect, copies of what would become the window sticker. The forms were often held by the upper left corner when they were bursted, the tractor feeds removed, and the carbons pulled out. The result is a missing left corner torn away.

Once the bundle was burst, the various copies of the order went to various stations on the line. One of these copies was glued to the fuel tank and became the tank sticker.
Interesing insight. Now share how you know this...you worked there...took a tour...heard it, etc. I ask because I suspect by late model C3 not much changed.
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Hi TJ,
At this time there isn't any information that ties the tank sheet DIRECTLY to a particular car.
Not even the NCRS has that info. They do have Dealer name and shipping dates for some cars... check-out the NCRS site.
What you can HOPE for is that the car also has it's WINDOW sticker. The TANK sticker has the dealer's order number on it... and so does the WINDOW sticker.... which also has the last 5 digits of the VIN on it!!!!
Good documentation is made up of many items.
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On some cars the blue certification label on the driver's door has not only the VIN sequence but ALSO part of the engine's suffix (how much varies) letters. This is because the P.O.P. was used to stamp the certification label and the engine suffix is on the plate too.

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I just relized also that my trim tag has Feb 14th as the build date, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY CAR!!!!!
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