Interior quarter panel extensions question
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Interior quarter panel extensions question
I am in the process of replacing most if not all interior panels on my '69 coupe and have run into a bit of a snag. This is a early build '69 (November '68).
I ordered new quarter panel covers and also the extension (which covers the retractable shoulder belt) and cannot see it identified in the AIM. Am I missing something? Were these REALLY used and if so, so can somebody post some photos, please showing them installed.
Also, if they are to be used, are they screwed together from the back (screw heads inside) or, from the front utilizing screw clips on the backside?
Eric
I ordered new quarter panel covers and also the extension (which covers the retractable shoulder belt) and cannot see it identified in the AIM. Am I missing something? Were these REALLY used and if so, so can somebody post some photos, please showing them installed.
Also, if they are to be used, are they screwed together from the back (screw heads inside) or, from the front utilizing screw clips on the backside?
Eric
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There are brackets mounted to the interior of the wheel well. The extensions are screwed to them. You can see the bracket in my pic, which I have now changed, because it goes behind the carpet.
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The car did have the extensions with the shoulder harness option. Here is the picture you are looking for... The main reason it is in the tech picture side of our site is because it's not in the 69 aim.
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...Were these REALLY used...
Shoulder belts were required for 69 coupes. They were optional on convertibles.
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Apparently not for 68 or 69; possibly later. My 72 AIM shows the extensions and is the same page posted by Willcox.
Shoulder belts were required for 69 coupes. They were optional on convertibles.
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Well, that makes sense as when I pulled up the carpet (and also found the original J.P. Stevens black tag dated 11-68) and I could find no prior holes or, signs of one of the supporting brackets.
Now, what to do with these black extensions. If I return them to Paragon, I get a 30% restocking charge. Anybody have a need for a new pair of black covers?
Eric
Shoulder belts were required for 69 coupes. They were optional on convertibles.
[/QUOTE]Well, that makes sense as when I pulled up the carpet (and also found the original J.P. Stevens black tag dated 11-68) and I could find no prior holes or, signs of one of the supporting brackets.
Now, what to do with these black extensions. If I return them to Paragon, I get a 30% restocking charge. Anybody have a need for a new pair of black covers?
Eric
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Well, if they weren't on your year car originally, Paragon shouldn't have sold them to you....or, at least, they should have told you they weren't made for use on your model. Since they didn't, they should accept the pieces back without a restock charge and refund your money (you still need to pay the shipping to return them, since you did order them).
But, we'll see if Santa
or Scrooge 
answers the phone when you call Paragon on this one.... 
But, we'll see if Santa
or Scrooge answers the phone when you call Paragon on this one....
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Apparently not for 68 or 69; possibly later. My 72 AIM shows the extensions and is the same page posted by Willcox.
Shoulder belts were required for 69 coupes. They were optional on convertibles.
Well, that makes sense as when I pulled up the carpet (and also found the original J.P. Stevens black tag dated 11-68) and I could find no prior holes or, signs of one of the supporting brackets.
Now, what to do with these black extensions. If I return them to Paragon, I get a 30% restocking charge. Anybody have a need for a new pair of black covers?
Eric
Shoulder belts were required for 69 coupes. They were optional on convertibles.
Well, that makes sense as when I pulled up the carpet (and also found the original J.P. Stevens black tag dated 11-68) and I could find no prior holes or, signs of one of the supporting brackets.
Now, what to do with these black extensions. If I return them to Paragon, I get a 30% restocking charge. Anybody have a need for a new pair of black covers?
Eric
You lost me on this one... You said you have a coupe.. All coupes had shoulder belts and thus you would have the extensions to cover them.
Or did I miss something? The extensions did not turn up in the AIM until 1970. Section 1, sheet F16 I think.
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Well, that makes sense as when I pulled up the carpet (and also found the original J.P. Stevens black tag dated 11-68) and I could find no prior holes or, signs of one of the supporting brackets.
Now, what to do with these black extensions. If I return them to Paragon, I get a 30% restocking charge. Anybody have a need for a new pair of black covers?
Eric
Now, what to do with these black extensions. If I return them to Paragon, I get a 30% restocking charge. Anybody have a need for a new pair of black covers?
Eric
You lost me on this one... You said you have a coupe.. All coupes had shoulder belts and thus you would have the extensions to cover them.
Or did I miss something? The extensions did not turn up in the AIM until 1970. Section 1, sheet F16 I think.
Willcox[/QUOTE]
My '69 Coupe is an early build, 11/68 so who really knows. My '69 AIM does not show these at all.
I think I'm hosed somewhat. Going to look at my old '68 L79 that I Top Flighted with in March (sold to Greg54) to get a refresher tomorrow as I cannot remember how that was finished off (it was a late '68 build).
More to follow........
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What is confusing me about this... is that the extensions were in production in 1968 too. The same extension was used from 1968-1972.
I'm not aware of early 69 cars not using the extensions on coupes... You might go to the NCRS board if you are a member and ask.
I'm not aware of early 69 cars not using the extensions on coupes... You might go to the NCRS board if you are a member and ask.
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The quarter panel extensions were also a mystery to me (69E Coupe) while restoring my interior. I have the mounting points for the shoulder belts but no mounting points for the extension panels. After finding the shoulder harness boots for 69er (and checking some pics, e.g. Rick Bizzoco, p. 47) I decided that's the way to go (and correct for 69).
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The 68/69 NCRS Judging Manual does not mention the extensions but does list the color coded boot on the wheel house. Bizzoco and Dr. Dobbins do not mention the extensions. Dr. Dobbins has a pic (page 99) showing the 69 boot with no extension.
I agree the extensions were used on later cars, but I don't think they were used on the 68 and 69 models.
I agree the extensions were used on later cars, but I don't think they were used on the 68 and 69 models.
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The 68/69 NCRS Judging Manual does not mention the extensions but does list the color coded boot on the wheel house. Bizzoco and Dr. Dobbins do not mention the extensions. Dr. Dobbins has a pic (page 99) showing the 69 boot with no extension.
I agree the extensions were used on later cars, but I don't think they were used on the 68 and 69 models.
I agree the extensions were used on later cars, but I don't think they were used on the 68 and 69 models.
What started me down this path is apparently somebody installed interior quarter panels from a later Vette and the reverse flange is present with holes to mount the extensions to.
Still plan to see my old '68 this morning to see what panel looks like on the back.
Plan to have a discussion with Paragon and advise them of the discovery and they need to amend the discription and hopefully be able to return for full refund.
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My very late August 68 build 68 model has the place for the extensions to attach on the quarter but no extension covers. My panels had a date on them on the back of May 68 so I believe they are originals and like I said they do have the tab with screw holes in them, but like others say I seen no other holes in the wheel well for the covers. So who knows for sure if they had the covers?
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Went and saw my old car and no extensions are present and also the flange was there (these are the original panels).
I am now convinced the 68(for sure as they use a fixed belt for the shoulder) 69 and begining 69 they were retractable and I'll bet the cover was used starting with 70 the extensions were not used on the '69.
Thanks for all inputs!
Eric
I am now convinced the 68(for sure as they use a fixed belt for the shoulder) 69 and begining 69 they were retractable and I'll bet the cover was used starting with 70 the extensions were not used on the '69.
Thanks for all inputs!
Eric
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Went and saw my old car and no extensions are present and also the flange was there (these are the original panels).
I am now convinced the 68(for sure as they use a fixed belt for the shoulder) 69 and begining 69 they were retractable and I'll bet the cover was used starting with 70 the extensions were not used on the '69.
Thanks for all inputs!
Eric
I am now convinced the 68(for sure as they use a fixed belt for the shoulder) 69 and begining 69 they were retractable and I'll bet the cover was used starting with 70 the extensions were not used on the '69.
Thanks for all inputs!
Eric
68 69 and possible 70 did not use the extension. There is a hard rubber boot that is color coded to the car which covers the shoulder belt which is bolted to the wheel well.
Hope this helps.
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