Kaos Pics/Video/Updates
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Drifting
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From: Miami FL
Kaos Pics/Video/Updates
Been a while since I posted about my ride although many of you asked for updates I appreciate your patience while I sorted out a few items. Here are some pics and videos and updates to share with you all
Kaos last weekend made its longest journey thus far racking up 700 miles round trip going to NCRS this past week on Friday with Al Knotch getting a new stayfast top installed with a smoked/tinted rear plastic window that goes perfect with the theme of the my ride. It will help take off the glare from headlights behind plus it blends in nicely with the rest of the tinted windows.
Videos and pics of the trip there
Click on pic to play video
Click on pic to play video
Pics of Kaos and Miami (Brickell) for which Kaoss resides in one of those tall condo buildings you see there in the background.
In addition to Kissimmee its been two one local car show here in South Florida at the Seminole Hard Rock Casino in November with a buddy of mine that has a nice 76 vette as in the pic.
Kaos last weekend made its longest journey thus far racking up 700 miles round trip going to NCRS this past week on Friday with Al Knotch getting a new stayfast top installed with a smoked/tinted rear plastic window that goes perfect with the theme of the my ride. It will help take off the glare from headlights behind plus it blends in nicely with the rest of the tinted windows.
Videos and pics of the trip there
Click on pic to play video
Click on pic to play video
Pics of Kaos and Miami (Brickell) for which Kaoss resides in one of those tall condo buildings you see there in the background.
In addition to Kissimmee its been two one local car show here in South Florida at the Seminole Hard Rock Casino in November with a buddy of mine that has a nice 76 vette as in the pic.
Last edited by Hadez; Jul 31, 2013 at 04:05 PM.
Drifting
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The smoking drill was the perfect last vid for this saga. Know you have been down a long road with Kaos but as you wisely told me many times - you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Looking forward to some good times soon.
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From: Plano TX
It's sad that a shop would return the car to you with so many faults and unfinished work. Did they claim it was all done and good to go?
Good job in investigating and finding correct fixes for the issues.
Good job in investigating and finding correct fixes for the issues.
Burning Brakes
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From: long beach California
Wow I would demand a serious percent of the final bill to be refunded along with the paint to be fixed that is a very nice car it is sad that a shop was so careless with your property it makes me wider of they were that careless with the paint, interior, and body alignment how sloppy was their engine build how long before you have nightmares in that category
Burning Brakes
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From: Hernando Beach Fl
Kaos, great meeting you at the NCRS show last week, the ride is sure looking nice, keep at it, there will always be some little things that come up, but is a shame that the car was sent back to being called completed with the amount of things you have dealt with.
Take care,
R.J. (Beach Dude)
Take care,
R.J. (Beach Dude)
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I would be seriously pissed if a shop returned a "finished" car to me with all those problems. I am sure you paid good money to have all that work done, looks like they rushed to finish it.
I hope you get the bugs worked out, and can really start to enjoy the car, which is gorgeous BTW!
Drifting
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From: springfield ohio
Looking back at the build and how more and more custom changes were made and the time that the car was expected to be ready kept growing longer and longer, was the builder being rushed? Being rushed is a bad thing when it comes to quality.
Also as far as the Wilwood master cylinder fitting correctly with a hydro booster, I have found the same problem as you did as far as fitment, My thought is that once the master is bolted into place, the brakes would be bled and while doing this would allow the calibers to relax relieving the pressure. This should allow the brakes to operate correctly. This is only my theory and I hope I'm right, or I will end up having the same problem as you did. I have not had the car on the road yet.
I'm sure others have run in to this with the Wilwood master and Hydro boost units, I wonder what the out come was for them.
Riggs.
Also as far as the Wilwood master cylinder fitting correctly with a hydro booster, I have found the same problem as you did as far as fitment, My thought is that once the master is bolted into place, the brakes would be bled and while doing this would allow the calibers to relax relieving the pressure. This should allow the brakes to operate correctly. This is only my theory and I hope I'm right, or I will end up having the same problem as you did. I have not had the car on the road yet.
I'm sure others have run in to this with the Wilwood master and Hydro boost units, I wonder what the out come was for them.
Riggs.
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You bring up a good point Riggs if in fact that is the case......but70hp is a lot and may be costly to rectify.
Any major rebuild/restoration/refreshening or what ever you want to call it is going to need a "shake down" period. You have to hope that the "issues" that come up are minor. If they are you can deal with them as they are to be expected. When you have to start tying the car up and laying out large sums of additional money it's disheartening and in some cases the car never gets "finished".
To Kaos - good luck going foward. The car does look great. It sounds like you'll get it 100% in no short order.
Drifting
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Bottom line is when you spend a lot of $s and are told you are getting something, and not only do you not get what you were told you were getting, but you also get sloppy work, that is WRONG. It makes me real sick a lot of these corvette specialist shops and others that do sloppy work and have a line out going out the door.
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Drifting
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The builder was not rushed. It takes the same amount of time to hang calipers correctly or not correctly.
Thanks to those for your understanding and support which will help me get the last few items taken care of.
Last edited by Hadez; Jul 31, 2013 at 04:07 PM.
Drifting
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From: springfield ohio
Rob, on the Hp issue, could it be that the transmission is soaking up more horse power than it should with the problems that it has already given you? Or has the LS been retuned to try and reach the max HP, and is the tuner a worthy tuner?
I only ask these questions because I am about to go through the same steps as you have with starting up an LS with a New transmission that will have to be Dyno tuned as soon as the transmission and torque converter is through it's break in period, I will then have it on a chassis dyno to see what numbers we get from it. I hope I am not disappointed about my numbers as I have been told that my set up will pull 550 FWHP.
Riggs.
I only ask these questions because I am about to go through the same steps as you have with starting up an LS with a New transmission that will have to be Dyno tuned as soon as the transmission and torque converter is through it's break in period, I will then have it on a chassis dyno to see what numbers we get from it. I hope I am not disappointed about my numbers as I have been told that my set up will pull 550 FWHP.
Riggs.
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Riggs....item # 20 pretty well sums it up in my first post but I will lay it out in another format that may see more clearly.
On the same day of my last tune there was a 1970 vette with the following specs getting tuned
GM Crate 427 dry sump 505hp Z06 engine
GM factory wiring harness
Intake, throttle body all completely stock
4L65E trans
3,000 stall
3.73 rearend
It put down 413rwhp
Drivetrain factor loss 18% (413/505)
My specs
427 LSx with L92 ported heads
3,200 stall
100Maf, NW throttle body, 102 Fast
4l60E trans
3,200 stall
3.55 rearend
I put down 433rwhp
My crank HP 433/18% = 530hp
Same dyno, same tuner, same day, almost the exactly same setup. You cant get a more direct comparison than this. I had it dyno'd at another shop and got 431rwhp. Drivetrain loss goes down as HP increases. If you have a 300hp bolted up to the same drivetrain you will have a higher loss than with a 500hp engine.
On the same day of my last tune there was a 1970 vette with the following specs getting tuned
GM Crate 427 dry sump 505hp Z06 engine
GM factory wiring harness
Intake, throttle body all completely stock
4L65E trans
3,000 stall
3.73 rearend
It put down 413rwhp
Drivetrain factor loss 18% (413/505)
My specs
427 LSx with L92 ported heads
3,200 stall
100Maf, NW throttle body, 102 Fast
4l60E trans
3,200 stall
3.55 rearend
I put down 433rwhp
My crank HP 433/18% = 530hp
Same dyno, same tuner, same day, almost the exactly same setup. You cant get a more direct comparison than this. I had it dyno'd at another shop and got 431rwhp. Drivetrain loss goes down as HP increases. If you have a 300hp bolted up to the same drivetrain you will have a higher loss than with a 500hp engine.
The C3 drivetrain is a lot more parasitic (if compared to the newer vettes with the rear mounted transmission). I'd say you are at >18% loss.
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Correct! If the drive train eats 92hp with a 505hp engine, then it would eat the same 92hp with a 600hp engine. Granted, these are two different cars so they won't be exactly the same, but figuring that they are very similar, the 433 dyno reading s/b ~525HP for KAOS.
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I am quite aware the Mustang dyno gives a lower figure. I am not new to dynos but nor am I a dyno queen. The reference point of a direct comparison is there and serves the purpose for the most direct estimate of HP. Another C3 with a crate engine Z06 LS7 completely factory stock setup with almost the exact same drivetrain setup putting down 413rwhp vs my 433rwhp on the same day by the same tuner by the same dyno and I have the best intake system about monies can buy.
I can agree I am leaving some HP with the bigger tires no where near 70hp.
I can agree I am leaving some HP with the bigger tires no where near 70hp.
Good luck with your goals, and I hope you figure out that lost HP...Its there.