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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 09:52 AM
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Collision with a utility pole bent the frame and ripped the left lower control arm off. Not a scratch on me. I wouldn't be typing this if the same accident happened while riding my Harley. So I say, plenty safe.



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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 10:02 AM
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Your C3 is certainly not as safe as most cars constructed today that are designed with energy absorbing systems, crumple zones, air bags and the like.

That said- 1973 was a significant year for Corvette with respect to safety- at least for the time- with the addition of side guard door beams and an impact absorbing front bumper.

Relative to the time, they were good steps and as posted by another- the spare tire beneath the fuel tank and behind the rear axle was indeed a part of Corvette's safety strategy. You can see the same thinking today on Pathfinders and a host of SUV's where you can see the spare under the tail of the vehicle.

Some of the stories posted here reflect survivals that were simply luck IMO--they could have just as easily gone the other way. The 73 Corvette certainly wasn't the tinderbox the Pinto sedans of the day suffered - - but relative to it's C3 brothers, it was an improvement.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 12:28 PM
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True, todays vehicles are safer, but IIRC in '78 (as well as likely in other years) the Corvette scored at or near the top in crash safety tests. That said, during years since production a number of owners have compromised safety by removing components in the name of weight savings.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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It's true about the spare tire being part of the design of the vehicle, even on today's cars. My 2005 CTS-V comes stock with runflats so there's no spare tire. In it's place in the tire tub is a metal brace that runs front to back.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 12:37 PM
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Some amazing accidents on this thread where people walked away. Thank God.

I have never had an accident in a corvette, but I had a bad one a few years ago. I went off the road a little and over compensated to get back on and spun out. I was on interstate 65 and going about 75. After spinning, it started sliding backward with the front of the car facing the oncoming traffic. A few few feet before I was plowed over by a red semi, I spun again and went off the road into the median suspension cables. The right side was destroyed, the rear and the front ends of the car were ripped off, and the air bags did NOT deploy.

God was watching over me as I walked about without a bruise.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Shea
One little known fact. A fully inflated spare tire inside the tub underneath the rear of the C3 Corvette is actually part of the energy management system in a severe rear collision. Some people remove the spare to save weight. Not a good idea.
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Jim (and others who have agreed with this comment), do you have evidence of this statement? I had no idea and would be fascinated to see the tests or calculations Chevrolet did to design the spare as part of the energy management system.
Thanks in advance!
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 02:45 PM
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If you think that GM still has the [paper] documentation on crash testing with & without the spare tire, you have a lot more faith in their records system than I do. Stuff was not computerized like it is today. And all those paper files would have been stored in some basement archive after about 3 years. If that info does still exist, there's no one left that knows where it is.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
If you think that GM still has the [paper] documentation on crash testing with & without the spare tire, you have a lot more faith in their records system than I do. Stuff was not computerized like it is today. And all those paper files would have been stored in some basement archive after about 3 years. If that info does still exist, there's no one left that knows where it is.
I think he's questioning whether the documentation ever did exist.

Personally I don't believe that safety was a design consideration when the tire was mounted back there.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 03:03 PM
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I would urge us to not forget, your butt is about 10 inches from the pavement. Try rear-ending or a head-on with a Suburban or similar and see who walks away. Height above the other guy is important.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FastHaole
I had no idea and would be fascinated to see the tests or calculations Chevrolet did to design the spare as part of the energy management system.
I doubt that GM considered the energy absorbing properties of the spare tire, when they chose to hang it under the rear of the Corvette in 1963. Vehicle safety was a pretty low priority in 63, just look what they chose to put on the Corvette, for bumpers back then.

With no trunk, the position of the gas tank, and the short rear overhang of the 63 Corvette, the spare probaly ended up under the car, because there was no where else to put it.

I think that it was more of a lucky by-product, or a happy coincidence, that the spare was later found to help absorb energy, in a rear end collision.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nate99
Safer than motorcycles, probably less safe than nearly every car made in the last 20 years.

The crash test between a '59 Chevy and a 2009 Malibu was eye opening.

Was that a numbers-matching '59 Chevy.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by boltnut
Wonder if you could bolt/weld in a brace in replacement of that tub that might even be stronger ?
Any thing making that rear more rigid will just transfer the force forward. I'd think the tire has marginally more flex in it than the rigid idea. I kept a 1980 inflated spare in mine despite the weight just for the crash idea. Not all crashes are at 85 mph...some are at 24 mph..most, in fact.

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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 05:43 PM
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When I had my heart surgery I had to go on blood thinners for life. At the time I was an avid motorcyclist. My wife was freaking about the bike and vulnerability. She was right, so I sold it and she bought my 92 corvette as consolation. Now I have the 72 as well. I know they are not as safe as compared to my f150 but, lets put it this way, when its your time to go, it could be a simple fall off of a roof or ladder. It could be high blood pressure left unchecked. It could be a jackwad texting while driving. How safe my corvettes are in a crash are the least of my concerns.
But, if my vette were to crash into one of todays smaller cars, I think it would be OK, an 18 wheeler, maybe not.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 06:00 PM
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I highly doubt that GM had safety in mind when they placed the spare where they did. If you take a look at Chevy/GMC pickups, the spare was placed in the same area and it wasn't for safety reasons. There was just nowhere else to put it. If you really think GM was concerned with safety, just take another look at where they placed the gas tank on the early 60's pickups. In the cab behind the driver isn't showing concern for safety.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 06:03 PM
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I do recall an article, circa 1978, that detailed how the rear spare was indeed part of the rear impact system and its contributuion to safety. I've looked for it a couple of times when this has come up in the past, but haven't had luck finding it. If ever I do I will definitely post.

I've also learned Jim Shea is one of the guys here who knows what he's talking about.

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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 06:28 PM
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Common sense says the C3 isn't as safe as today's vehicles.

I do wonder how safe some of the newer vehicles really are?

For example the Smart car has excellent crash ratings. But really; I get a strong urge to punt one off the road!
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 06:33 PM
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Death trap
--No air bag
--worn out safety belts
--Fiberglass body instead of steel
--manufactured before current safety requirements and new technology

But your dead body will look great in a cool looking wreck
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 07:44 PM
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IMHO, C3 'vettes are one of the most dangerous cars on the road. Who knows how many accidents have been caused by drivers looking at a C3, when they should be watching the road.


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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 07:53 PM
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I had a car run into the back of my 72 at less than 5 mph and did $1,500 of damage including cracks in the fiberglass.Those bumpers are for looks only.

I also had a frontal crash at 45 mph in a C5. Broke the frame in 3 places and the engine cradle so the engine drops down - all just like it is supposed to. I was knocked out and had a cut on my forehead from the airbag. I was back home that afternoon with a headache and a totaled car but not much else. I would have died if I had been in my C3.

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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 08:49 PM
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Vettes with flexible bumper covers are safe for collisions up to 5 mph. Case closed.
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