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Old May 20, 2012 | 09:53 PM
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Hi folks. Just bought our first Vette, a 1968 with numbers matching 327/350hp. I have a question about the partial VIN stamp on the Muncie 4 speed. The VIN on the transmission matches the engine and vehicle VIN minus the last 2 digits (see photos below). Engine – 18S400924, Trans – 18S4009. Is this a “normal” matching number for an early 1968 with assembly date of 9-29-1967? Actually, there appears to be a very faint image of the bottom part of a 2 following the 9. Is it possible that the stamping machine was not flat and didn’t correctly imprint the last 2 digits?

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I see the 2, but it should match the engne.
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Is the [cast] surface where the "24" should be a little lower than for the rest of that S/N? The other numbers look like they are the same as the gang stamp numbers. So, if that cast area is lower, the stamps may not have touched the casting surface and left no impression (or, rather, only a little bit of the "2"). If there is a casting date code on the tranny main housing, and it's reasonably close to the production date of the car, I'd surmise the tranny to be original to the car....just got a bad stamp job.
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I won't doubt that stamp at all.
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Old May 20, 2012 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ugadog
Is it possible that the stamping machine was not flat and didn’t correctly imprint the last 2 digits?
The 'stamping machine' was a guy with a hammer in one hand and the die holder (with the numbers) in the other. WHACK!

Great looking car- congrats

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I won't doubt that stamp at all.
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Old May 20, 2012 | 11:20 PM
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Is the [cast] surface where the "24" should be a little lower than for the rest of that S/N? The other numbers look like they are the same as the gang stamp numbers. So, if that cast area is lower, the stamps may not have touched the casting surface and left no impression (or, rather, only a little bit of the "2"). If there is a casting date code on the tranny main housing, and it's reasonably close to the production date of the car, I'd surmise the tranny to be original to the car....just got a bad stamp job.
Thanks for all the replies! I crawled back under and it did feel like perhaps there was a tiny lower area where the 24 should be. If I am interpreting correctly, the other number in the photo (P8P05) is encoding for 1968 model year, P05 = September, which would correspond to the documented 9-29-1967 production date. Hopefully, this would be sufficient evidence to support an original part and a slightly faulty stamp. Is that logic sound?
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
The 'stamping machine' was a guy with a hammer in one hand and the die holder (with the numbers) in the other. WHACK!
Nice to know the underlying technology.

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Great looking car- congrats
Thanks!
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Nice to know the underlying technology. Thanks!


Uga: your tranny stamp is almost certainly stock.
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Uga: your tranny stamp is almost certainly stock.
Thanks Easy Mike and everyone else for the comments and info! I feel better about that stamp now, not that the car will be ready for an NCRS event anytime soon. We are just planning to enjoy the new toy!
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Some folks might actually try to re-stamp the "24" in place. But, I think leaving it alone would not only be "correct"...as it was actually done by the factory...,but would give the NCRS judges something to argue about if you get it judged.
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Wow- like a moth to a flame.

NCRS does not look at the transmission stamp during Flight Judging.
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
Some folks might actually try to re-stamp the "24" in place. But, I think leaving it alone would not only be "correct"...as it was actually done by the factory...,but would give the NCRS judges something to argue about if you get it judged.
Actually, that thought already crossed my mind for a fleeting moment before I tossed the scheme out on its derriere. With my luck I would whack the stamp one time and either crack the housing or butcher it so badly it would wreak of tampering. Besides, I am somewhat of a “purist” when it comes to “originality”. Therefore, the missing digits will remain absent as long as I own the car.

After all, an authentic, mis-stamped coin is worth a lot more than a perfect one. Shouldn’t the same apply to an authentic mis-stamped Corvette tranny?
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Originally Posted by ugadog
After all, an authentic, mis-stamped coin is worth a lot more than a perfect one. Shouldn’t the same apply to an authentic mis-stamped Corvette tranny?
I don't know about more - but certainly not worth less.
It clearly presents as correct - just mis-struck.

That red on red vert wouldn't have AC by any chance?

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Lighten up, Mike! I was offering my comments to the OP, who understood my intent perfectly.
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
Some folks might actually try to re-stamp the "24" in place. But, I think leaving it alone would not only be "correct"...as it was actually done by the factory...,but would give the NCRS judges something to argue about if you get it judged.
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Wow- like a moth to a flame.

NCRS does not look at the transmission stamp during Flight Judging.
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Lighten up, Mike! I was offering my comments to the OP, who understood my intent perfectly.
Hardly..............

Just another example of spreading bad info is what I see.
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Originally Posted by Clams Canino
That red on red vert wouldn't have AC by any chance?
No AC. Just Raw, Hot American sports car!
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P8P05 build date translation:

P=Muncie 4 speed
8=1968
P=September
05=fifth day of September
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