Can you identify these wheels?
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Burning Brakes
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From: NJ
Can you identify these wheels?
Wheels were on since I bought the car. I have not yet looked to find any model numbers or manufacturer information on the inside of the wheel, that is the next step. But maybe someone on here will know who makes these and what model they are?
Also...these wheels have an offset which requires a spacer (about .5 to .75" not sure exactly) in order to not rub against the break caliper. This means that the wheel is NOT resting on the hub and is NOT resting on the studs. The wheel has to be held up while screwing the lug nuts in. The wheel then rests on the lug nuts (the extra long ones) which i guess serve as a stud extension. Is this safe? Anyone else come across a similar set up?
Also...these wheels have an offset which requires a spacer (about .5 to .75" not sure exactly) in order to not rub against the break caliper. This means that the wheel is NOT resting on the hub and is NOT resting on the studs. The wheel has to be held up while screwing the lug nuts in. The wheel then rests on the lug nuts (the extra long ones) which i guess serve as a stud extension. Is this safe? Anyone else come across a similar set up?
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From: Oxford MA-----You just lost the game!!!!
Wheels were on since I bought the car. I have not yet looked to find any model numbers or manufacturer information on the inside of the wheel, that is the next step. But maybe someone on here will know who makes these and what model they are?
Also...these wheels have an offset which requires a spacer (about .5 to .75" not sure exactly) in order to not rub against the break caliper. This means that the wheel is NOT resting on the hub and is NOT resting on the studs. The wheel has to be held up while screwing the lug nuts in. The wheel then rests on the lug nuts (the extra long ones) which i guess serve as a stud extension. Is this safe? Anyone else come across a similar set up?
Also...these wheels have an offset which requires a spacer (about .5 to .75" not sure exactly) in order to not rub against the break caliper. This means that the wheel is NOT resting on the hub and is NOT resting on the studs. The wheel has to be held up while screwing the lug nuts in. The wheel then rests on the lug nuts (the extra long ones) which i guess serve as a stud extension. Is this safe? Anyone else come across a similar set up?
Seriously, though, I can't make any sense out of what you typed, it reads like you are explaining it to someone who can see what you are explaining. Could you explain it a little differently? Nice car, BTW!
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
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Burning Brakes
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What the hell are you talking about?????
Seriously, though, I can't make any sense out of what you typed, it reads like you are explaining it to someone who can see what you are explaining. Could you explain it a little differently? Nice car, BTW!
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
Seriously, though, I can't make any sense out of what you typed, it reads like you are explaining it to someone who can see what you are explaining. Could you explain it a little differently? Nice car, BTW!
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
When you put the wheel on (before putting the lug nuts on), usually it is hanging/resting on the hub or the studs, right?
Well in my case, due to the spacer, you are not able to leave the wheel on the car without lug nuts in place. There is about a quarter inch of room between the wheel center where the holes are for the studs and the very tip of the studs.
Is this better?
Team Owner
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Hhmmm . . OK, I get the spacer part . . and running reasonably sized spacers like those shouldn't change the stress points on the lugs significantly.
I wonder if you might need longer studs? If there's only .25 in of lug sticking out, do the nuts have a sleeve that allows it to grip "deeper" on the lug ?
Clearly, I'm good at remembering old wheels, but out of my element on spacers . . .sorry if this isn't helpful - - we'll let others with better knowledge provide the info . . .maybe call Tue-Spoke?
Good luck-
I wonder if you might need longer studs? If there's only .25 in of lug sticking out, do the nuts have a sleeve that allows it to grip "deeper" on the lug ?
Clearly, I'm good at remembering old wheels, but out of my element on spacers . . .sorry if this isn't helpful - - we'll let others with better knowledge provide the info . . .maybe call Tue-Spoke?
Good luck-
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Burning Brakes
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From: NJ
Hhmmm . . OK, I get the spacer part . . and running reasonably sized spacers like those shouldn't change the stress points on the lugs significantly.
I wonder if you might need longer studs? If there's only .25 in of lug sticking out, do the nuts have a sleeve that allows it to grip "deeper" on the lug ?
Clearly, I'm good at remembering old wheels, but out of my element on spacers . . .sorry if this isn't helpful - - we'll let others with better knowledge provide the info . . .maybe call Tue-Spoke?
Good luck-
I wonder if you might need longer studs? If there's only .25 in of lug sticking out, do the nuts have a sleeve that allows it to grip "deeper" on the lug ?
Clearly, I'm good at remembering old wheels, but out of my element on spacers . . .sorry if this isn't helpful - - we'll let others with better knowledge provide the info . . .maybe call Tue-Spoke?
Good luck-
Yes, it would appear that I need longer studs to accommodate these wheels but I was just wondering if its safe as is with these longer than usual nuts.
I suppose now that I know who makes these wheels I can get more info from them.
Thanks
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It sounds like you're describing "mag-shank" lug nuts. Without seeing what you have, it sounds like your spacer "should" be centered on the spindle hub, with the shank of the lug passing through the spacer, but not bottoming against the hub.
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From: Oxford MA-----You just lost the game!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA..... Ill get some pics to show it soon but for now, here it is:
When you put the wheel on (before putting the lug nuts on), usually it is hanging/resting on the hub or the studs, right?
Well in my case, due to the spacer, you are not able to leave the wheel on the car without lug nuts in place. There is about a quarter inch of room between the wheel center where the holes are for the studs and the very tip of the studs.
Is this better?
When you put the wheel on (before putting the lug nuts on), usually it is hanging/resting on the hub or the studs, right?
Well in my case, due to the spacer, you are not able to leave the wheel on the car without lug nuts in place. There is about a quarter inch of room between the wheel center where the holes are for the studs and the very tip of the studs.
Is this better?
Seriously, I don't like it, and I am pretty sure I would not drive on those wheels. (I don't really care for wire wheels, anyway, but that's just me!) Spacers, man, they are the devil. Adapters would be much safer, but I don't think you can get them less than an inch thick. Maybe it's time for some new wheels that fit correctly.
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
Last edited by scottyp99; Aug 2, 2012 at 07:04 PM.
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Burning Brakes
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From: NJ
Exactly! I looked up mag-shank nuts and yes, those are the ones I have, the long sleeve extends and still catches a lot of the stud even though the stud ends behind the wheel.
Burning Brakes
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From: Frederick Md
These are EXACTLY like the ones on one of my cars...
CRAGER "Star Wire" CORVETTE SPECIALS.... do require a 1/4 inch backspacer
the Red emblem in the center has the crossed flags AND the word Corvette
I've seen them without the word Corvette however because Crager stopped paying for or never had GM permission to use the Word
I can't figure out how to post the picture I just took with my phone a picture.. BUT
e-mail me at Rg327@Comcast.net and I'll be glad to show you the picture
Bob G
CRAGER "Star Wire" CORVETTE SPECIALS.... do require a 1/4 inch backspacer
the Red emblem in the center has the crossed flags AND the word Corvette
I've seen them without the word Corvette however because Crager stopped paying for or never had GM permission to use the Word
I can't figure out how to post the picture I just took with my phone a picture.. BUT
e-mail me at Rg327@Comcast.net and I'll be glad to show you the picture
Bob G
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There are a lot of old wheels out there that require a spacer when using the Corvette calipers. I use thin spacers with my Western Wheels on the front of my '64. (Drums in back so no spacer necessary.) A thin spacer should not present any safety hazards and I've never had a problem. However, when I put my wheels on (mag-shanks), the lug does extend a bit past the wheel.
There is bound to be a bit of "slop" in the spacer, and if you put on the spacer then the wheel, you're probably not going to get them "exactly" centered with the wheel and lug holes because they are not "hub-centric" and the lug holes are relatively large compared to the lugs. Plus, I find they are just a PITA to deal with when mounting the wheels.
So, I clean the mounting pad on the hub and spacer and put 5 little spots of JB Weld on back of the spacer then center it as best as possible and clamp it in place for a day. Then I clean out any excess JB Weld that squeezes out around the edge of the spacer and lug holes. Then the spacer stays inplace and if you do want to remove it, a light tap with a hammer and screwdriver will do the trick.
There is bound to be a bit of "slop" in the spacer, and if you put on the spacer then the wheel, you're probably not going to get them "exactly" centered with the wheel and lug holes because they are not "hub-centric" and the lug holes are relatively large compared to the lugs. Plus, I find they are just a PITA to deal with when mounting the wheels.
So, I clean the mounting pad on the hub and spacer and put 5 little spots of JB Weld on back of the spacer then center it as best as possible and clamp it in place for a day. Then I clean out any excess JB Weld that squeezes out around the edge of the spacer and lug holes. Then the spacer stays inplace and if you do want to remove it, a light tap with a hammer and screwdriver will do the trick.
Last edited by toddalin; Aug 3, 2012 at 01:41 PM.
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From: Oxford MA-----You just lost the game!!!!
a 1/8" or maybe even a 1/4" spacer is one thing, but OP is talking about a 3/4" spacer. That's putting the wheel way to far out on the studs for me to be comfortable with. Plenty of people do it and don't have any problems, I guess, maybe I'm just a Nervous Nellie.
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
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a 1/8" or maybe even a 1/4" spacer is one thing, but OP is talking about a 3/4" spacer. That's putting the wheel way to far out on the studs for me to be comfortable with. Plenty of people do it and don't have any problems, I guess, maybe I'm just a Nervous Nellie.
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
Le Mans Master
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I can't imagine that we are really talking 3/4", but maybe with those wheels? OP needs to see what the thinnest he can get by with.
Agreed that 3/4" is excessive and at that point, I would probably use a bolt-on adapter to make up the difference, or different wheels.
Agreed that 3/4" is excessive and at that point, I would probably use a bolt-on adapter to make up the difference, or different wheels.
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Burning Brakes
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a 1/8" or maybe even a 1/4" spacer is one thing, but OP is talking about a 3/4" spacer. That's putting the wheel way to far out on the studs for me to be comfortable with. Plenty of people do it and don't have any problems, I guess, maybe I'm just a Nervous Nellie.
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
A couple of pics of the wheels on the car, you can see where the studs end:
Here is the spacer.... BTW the spacer is half inch, not 3/4 like I thought earlier:
The nuts are 2 inches long, looks like their long sleeve captures a lot of the stud:
Opinions? Concerns?
Racer
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From: Montgomery TX
Appliance made 15" bolt on Chrome wire wheels in the 70's that made it on a lot of hot rods and Vettes. I believe they only came with 4.5" BS hence the need for the spacers. You have extended shank lugnuts which is the only way to make the use of spacers safe. However the spacers you have are not hubcentric and the bolt holes are elongated to accomadate universal bolt patterns. With those spacers it is very difficult to center them and your wheels will never be in proper balance. If you plan to keep the wheels, then search for a set of hubcentric spacers of the same thickness and proper 4.75" pattern.
Those wheels are actually fairly rare in that condition but tough to sell.
Those wheels are actually fairly rare in that condition but tough to sell.
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Appliance made 15" bolt on Chrome wire wheels in the 70's that made it on a lot of hot rods and Vettes. I believe they only came with 4.5" BS hence the need for the spacers. You have extended shank lugnuts which is the only way to make the use of spacers safe. However the spacers you have are not hubcentric and the bolt holes are elongated to accomadate universal bolt patterns. With those spacers it is very difficult to center them and your wheels will never be in proper balance. If you plan to keep the wheels, then search for a set of hubcentric spacers of the same thickness and proper 4.75" pattern.
Those wheels are actually fairly rare in that condition but tough to sell.
Those wheels are actually fairly rare in that condition but tough to sell.
