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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 06:50 AM
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Current prices put that disinformation to bed quickly.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Vettebuyer5869
So, 1975 350, 165 hp, out of a pickup truck?
Correct, a C20 or 3500 series truck. St. Catherines Ontario (McKinnon Industries) engine built on June 6th.

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from what i am reading it was used in everyday cars and trucks,not in camaros,corvettes,chevelles and so on.its just a run of the mill 165 h.p. block.if it shows a 010 on the bellhousing it has a higher nickle content in the iron block making it stronger than a grocery getter.it could of been used in a truck also but it would have been the cheaper model like a 1/4 ton work truck.
No idea where you've gotten your info but please burn the book.

The 010 (and 020) numbers were long since proven to be part of the engine casting number and NOTHING to do with the % of nickel or tin in the block. Old myth.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Vettebuyer5869
So, 1975 350, 165 hp, out of a pickup truck?
bottom line is whatever it's out of, it's NOT an L82 motor.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 08:41 AM
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So, could I bring it back to a non matching L-82? What would that take? I must say, I am. Little bummed but not bad.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 08:47 AM
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BTW: THe engine has a bad miss and needs a valve job so before I do that should I just buy a used engine to rebuild? I knew going in it had the misfire and was fine with that.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 09:43 AM
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imho, get a roller block with aluminum heads and fuel injection, they're cheap, reliable, and if you dont want the fi , convert to carb and sell the fi here, they already have the upgrades you want and you wont have to read thru those endless threads on 'what oil do I use'. L98 is one choice.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FatCat
So, could I bring it back to a non matching L-82? What would that take? I must say, I am. Little bummed but not bad.
It's a '78 with the original engine long gone. You might as well just drop a ZZ4 in there and have some fun!
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 11:12 AM
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-p...82-engine.html

What about this?
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Originally Posted by oldalaskaman
imho, get a roller block with aluminum heads and fuel injection, they're cheap, reliable, and if you dont want the fi , convert to carb and sell the fi here, they already have the upgrades you want and you wont have to read thru those endless threads on 'what oil do I use'. L98 is one choice.
That is an option I might consider! Thanks
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Originally Posted by qwank
It's a '78 with the original engine long gone. You might as well just drop a ZZ4 in there and have some fun!
What is a ZZ4? HAHAHA! i am really new at this whole thing....In fact this is the first sports car I have ever owned in my 44 years!
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Originally Posted by FatCat
So, could I bring it back to a non matching L-82? What would that take? I must say, I am. Little bummed but not bad.
I see no reason you couldn't if that's what you want to do. L82 is an option code which specifies optional equipment. Whether it's the original block or not makes no difference so long as it's correct however it will still be a NOM. To some, the pedigree isn't a big deal, to others it's everything. Build the car for yourself and enjoy it.

If you're really interested in restoring the car to it's original specs, assuming it ever was an L82, the AIM should provide the details of all parts which were unique to that option package.
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Originally Posted by merc49
a numbers matching engine that smokes is worth less than a good running non matching block anyday.
Depends on the buyer. A buyer looking for a good driver may prefer a non numbers engine if it's in better condition than a 'numbers' car, provided the price reflects the fact it's a NOM. I'm assuming these buyers wouldn't pay the premium for 'matching numbers' anyway, evaluating the car without regard for numbers. Collectors prefer anything numbers matching over any NOM.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FatCat
What is a ZZ4? HAHAHA! i am really new at this whole thing....In fact this is the first sports car I have ever owned in my 44 years!
ZZ4:

http://paceperformance.com/i-5146074...ck-engine.html
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BBCorv70
Depends on the buyer. A buyer looking for a good driver may prefer a non numbers engine if it's in better condition than a 'numbers' car, provided the price reflects the fact it's a NOM. I'm assuming these buyers wouldn't pay the premium for 'matching numbers' anyway, evaluating the car without regard for numbers. Collectors prefer anything numbers matching over any NOM.
I'd rather buy a car with a junk original engine and replace the engine myself, than a car with a brand new bubba job engine swap

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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FatCat
this, you can get another 150,000 miles on one, better fuel economy , its only bout $100 more and it would look sweet in that car

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/3267989482.html
they are available everywhere
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by merc49
...a numbers matching engine that smokes is worth less than a good running non matching block anyday...
Not in these parts. I'll take the old smokey numbers matching block any day of the week.

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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by merc49
txd means its a 1975 350 with 165 hp and 4 barrel carb,conv. and cab means it was used in most regular cars and not high perf.applications.just my two cents.its also probably a two bolt main block which is not a problem.if it runs good and your happy that is all that matters,a numbers matching engine that smokes is worth less than a good running non matching block anyday.
That comment will catch alot of disagreement here... but I understand and agree with the point. When some of these original engines develop issues that CANNOT be reasonably corrected (such that the cost justifies the value of the repair) do you leave the malperforming engine in the car so you can say "the numbers match" OR do you just put a good functioning engine in the car?

You change the engine.

Unless you are attempting to achieve Top Flight NCRS status OR have a very original car, with a multitude of original parts that is going to be a selling point down the road, then having a numbers matching engine in a car that's been modified, not stock or otherwise not in original condition or originality holds little additional value.

Now.. with respect to N.O.M.. there's also something to be said about having a "correct" engine (ie a Corvette engine from the same year and or month or a reasonably close engine) vs having a pickup truck engine or non Corvette engine in the car... but the least common denominator is that hopefully, you've got a Chevy engine
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Originally Posted by PhilaScott
That comment will catch alot of disagreement here... but I understand and agree with the point. When some of these original engines develop issues that CANNOT be reasonably corrected (such that the cost justifies the value of the repair) do you leave the malperforming engine in the car so you can say "the numbers match" OR do you just put a good functioning engine in the car?

You change the engine.
I've heard of some people going to extreme lengths to salvage a block which would have been tossed years ago, cracked blocks stitched together, etc. IMO an inferior block but... it has the numbers... Depends on how much value the owner puts on the numbers..

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Unless you are attempting to achieve Top Flight NCRS status...
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A bit nitpicky I'll admit but this isn't true.. A car can achieve top flight status with a NOM block so long as it's correct and has date codes within acceptable range. Bloomington also accepts NOM blocks, same criteria I beleive. The deduction for missing or wrong stamp numbers is minor.

Originally Posted by PhilaScott
Now.. with respect to N.O.M.. there's also something to be said about having a "correct" engine (ie a Corvette engine from the same year and or month or a reasonably close engine) vs having a pickup truck engine or non Corvette engine in the car... but the least common denominator is that hopefully, you've got a Chevy engine
How is the block from another Chevrolet any different from a "Corvette block"? Aside from blocks designed for trucks..
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Originally Posted by qwank
I'd rather buy a car with a junk original engine and replace the engine myself, than a car with a brand new bubba job engine swap
??? I don't think I'd want to buy a car with a junk engine, either numbers matching or not unless I wanted a project. So far as Bubba goes, I don't think he discriminates between numbers and NOMs, probably molests equally... There are a lot of cars out without the original engine which I'd hardly call a "bubba job engine swap".
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Originally Posted by BBCorv70
I've heard of some people going to extreme lengths to salvage a block which would have been tossed years ago, cracked blocks stitched together, etc. IMO an inferior block but... it has the numbers... Depends on how much value the owner puts on the numbers..

A bit nitpicky I'll admit but this isn't true.. A car can achieve top flight status with a NOM block so long as it's correct and has date codes within acceptable range. Bloomington also accepts NOM blocks, same criteria I beleive. The deduction for missing or wrong stamp numbers is minor.

How is the block from another Chevrolet any different from a "Corvette block"? Aside from blocks designed for trucks..
As an active NCRS member, I am we'll versed on the flight requirements. The comments provided here are general statements not absolutes. With respect to NOM, the comment was that if you are seeking TOP flight, a NOM motor was likely not for you. Yes it can be dated 6 mos prior, but that was not the point. Too much emphasis and misunderstanding still exists on numbers matching in this group. People toss the term around like anything less is not good. It's just bs.
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