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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 10:42 PM
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I went with the Richmond 6 speed. Pretty much a direct bolt in, reuses the existing driveshaft, and 0.76 OD worked better with my 3.08 rear.
Love them 6 spd's! Less rpm drop on upshifts with a 6 spd.Yup,Practically a bolt in with a G-force 700R4 crossmember and a little trimming.[IMG][/IMG] Worst part of the swap are the pedals.Not easy but doable.....Aloha's
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Priya
I spoke to American Powertrain before I bought my Keisler. I told him I was considering the Keisler and he got a little hostile and told me Keisler doesn't do anything with the used trans they get in to remanufacture, they just send them out as is and calls them rebuilt.He told me if I give Keisler my money there's no way they'll ever send me a transmission. He said "You don't have to buy from us but whatever you do, don't buy from Keisler.".

I thought it was pretty sleazy of him to out and out lie about his competition like that and tell me what to do and it really turned me off. Talking to American Powertrain was one of the reasons I decided to go with a Keisler trans. I ordered the Keisler trans in January 2012 expecting a six month to 1 year wait but received it in February of 2012. I made sure to send American Powertrain an email and tell them I bought a Keisler instead of their trans.
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You are a good judge of character. Those guys were two former salesman of mine that didn't have a clue about manufacturing, design, engineering or transmissions. At SEMA Las Vegas recently, they snuck into Legend Gear's booth before the show opened, and were taking pictures of the SS700 when the guys from Legend arrived and ran them out. Then Robert goes there later trying to convince Legend to sell to them, at the risk of losing the Tremec supply. Some people never change.

For the record to all, the RS is a blend of new and remanufactured components:

NEW front and rear aluminum case, Gen5 PerfectShifter, synchros, bearings, seals, blockers, billet shift fork, 5th Gear, Reverse Gear, bronze upgraded shift fork pads, shifter cup.

Remanufactured alum main case (CNC machined after new features added), remanufacured gears (synchro clutch gears, helical gears)

From a component count standpoint, there are more NEW components than REMAN in the RS.

And remember this about transmissions, ALL AUTOMATICS SOLD ARE REMAN. MOST MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS ARE REMAN. The ONLY reason my company did not develop muscle car transmission systems using reman units in 1999, is because I did not have the know-how or resources to reman the Borg Warner T45 back then. If I could do the manual transmission development all over again from 1999, I would have used the T45 as the primary transmission, not the TKO. I could have bought either for the same price new back then - around $875. The TKO was easier for me to achieve the drivertrain solution for the various musclecars. It was also easier for copy cats and cling-ons to ride our coat tails. The T45 at its final revision level is a much, much better transmission than the TKO. EVERY customer that has both TKO and RS says the same - it is a world of improvement.

KE's automatics are reman'd 4L60E and we never have issues with them related to reman vs new.

All of our transmissions having any reman content run the same warranty has new transmissions.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 10:36 AM
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I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who had troubles with a TKO. Mine kept eating synchros - every 10k miles. Sad part, I never had a chance to race it - I owned the car for a year, and it spent 3 months in a shop (the 3 months we have for racing, ironically)....
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 11:00 AM
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For me what clinched my decision was that the RS is a smoother shifting transmission which can handle higher rpm shifts and having a synchronized reverse was not something I was going to live without if I had a choice.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 12:25 PM
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For me what clinched my decision was that the RS is a smoother shifting transmission which can handle higher rpm shifts and having a synchronized reverse was not something I was going to live without if I had a choice.

That's why I have an SS700 waiting to be installed in my garage.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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Also, with the RS or SS700 trans you are less likely to miss a shift and don't have to mess around with that "open palm" shifting business to try to avoid it with the TKO.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hub454
I really want a 5 spd from Keisler or an alternative. I have called them 3 times over the last year and the price just keeps going up. I ask for a deal but they ever seem to have any when I call. So I called today and thought I could get over the price but 10 weeks before delivery has stopped me once again. Is there any 5 spd bolt ins on the market without having to wait for it being built? It blows my mind that they have never caught up and there is always a terrible wait.
If you want a transmission that you will really like, then order the Keisler SS700. OK, they have some teething issues with customer service and shipping times, but they are really trying to improve and it's worth the wait and aggravation.

Recently installed the SS700 in my 67 Chevelle SS. It is working very well and with a 3.08 gear to boot. Also just ordered another SS700 kit for my 67 Corvette.

Suggest that if you are having dificulties with Keisler or have questions that you cannot get answers for then contact Shafi Keisler directly at 1-888-609-0094 x 203. He is usually available and is eager to help his customers.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperBuickGuy
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who had troubles with a TKO. Mine kept eating synchros - every 10k miles. Sad part, I never had a chance to race it - I owned the car for a year, and it spent 3 months in a shop (the 3 months we have for racing, ironically)....
We just completed a TKO600 overhaul for a repeat customer. His trans had less than 3,000 miles and $900 worth of parts and labor were required:
new 1st, 2nd, 3rd, input, sleeve/hub synchro, blocker rings

Not only were the synchro parts shot, but the helical gears were also toast. I am seeing more and more of this with the TKOs. One of the moderators at Pro Touring we race with toasted his TKO600 in 1 year.

One reason we promote the SS700 over the TKO600, other than USA vs Mexico, is that the quality is much better. I am not talking a small improvement, but a quantum leap.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Keisler Automotive
We just completed a TKO600 overhaul for a repeat customer. His trans had less than 3,000 miles and $900 worth of parts and labor were required:
new 1st, 2nd, 3rd, input, sleeve/hub synchro, blocker rings

Not only were the synchro parts shot, but the helical gears were also toast. I am seeing more and more of this with the TKOs. One of the moderators at Pro Touring we race with toasted his TKO600 in 1 year.

One reason we promote the SS700 over the TKO600, other than USA vs Mexico, is that the quality is much better. I am not talking a small improvement, but a quantum leap.
most of the problems with mine were related to the useless dealership and the monkeys that worked for it (Lee Johnson Chevrolet/Mazda, Kirkland Washington)... Were it my money that was fixing it, I'd have checked the throwout's operation. I'd complained that when (throwout) got hot, it wouldn't fully disengage (to the point, if it got too hot, it wouldn't disengage at all) - I suspect that the problem with the synchros and 2nd gear were sourced from that (I bought the car with 42k miles on it, sold it with 55k).... but I couldn't convince them to simply fix the throwout - so they rebuilt the transmission 3x in as many months - each time replacing synchos that were shot.... funny, as those 3 synchros they replaced were the sum total of synchros I've ever replaced in any manual transmission I've ever owned.... (the irony of the above situation is that if I had replaced the throwout, GM wouldn't have covered any further warranty work on the transmission)

anyway, that was just one of the issues with Lee Johnson - I still have a rear differential that demonstrates the quality of their monkey's work. I dare them to call me a liar on any of these websites where I bad mouth them

ah well, if it weren't for apes like them; you'd have a tougher go of it

even in all of it, I'm not impressed with the TKO transmission.... but we could then delve into a discussion of how many gears is too many. I can build a motor with torque at 1500 and a powerband as wide as the grand canyon all with reasonable fuel economy - thus my opinion is 4 speed is enough.

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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Keisler Automotive
We just completed a TKO600 overhaul for a repeat customer. His trans had less than 3,000 miles and $900 worth of parts and labor were required:
new 1st, 2nd, 3rd, input, sleeve/hub synchro, blocker rings

Not only were the synchro parts shot, but the helical gears were also toast. I am seeing more and more of this with the TKOs. One of the moderators at Pro Touring we race with toasted his TKO600 in 1 year.

One reason we promote the SS700 over the TKO600, other than USA vs Mexico, is that the quality is much better. I am not talking a small improvement, but a quantum leap.
It could be the best tranmission out there, but the long wait for it just isnt good.Its what hurts you guys the most.
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