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Old Sep 7, 2014 | 11:14 AM
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What year was the 454 de-tuned? It seems like the 1971 454 had all it's ***** intact and in 1972 some castration crept in. If that's the case, what was done to the engine to kill the power?
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Wasn't compression dropped across the board in 71'?
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AL Gore, I mean Ralph Nader, emmission controls, and insurance regulation. Gas prices, and lead fuel started being phased out and compression dropped and the engineers were pushed into fuel economy mode, the end of the era. Smog pumps, yada yada. Then cats, and then you have 185 hp small blocks.
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AL Gore, I mean Ralph Nader, emmission controls, and insurance regulation. Gas prices, and lead fuel started being phased out and compression dropped and the engineers were pushed into fuel economy mode, the end of the era. Smog pumps, yada yada. Then cats, and then you have 185 hp small blocks.
Ah, it was Nixon and nearly a complete unanimous bipartisan vote in both houses that passed it. And they did the right thing.
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What year was the 454 de-tuned? It seems like the 1971 454 had all it's ***** intact and in 1972 some castration crept in. If that's the case, what was done to the engine to kill the power?
It was 1972. The horsepower ratings for the LS-5 was 350hp gross and 270 hp net. In 1971, the LS-5 was 365hp gross and a net rating of 285hp. The difference in the two years came about because of additional carburation, distributor and timing adjustments.
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I know it was not al gore just poking fun, I like the fuel efficiency and technology that came from the change it just took a long time.
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The big 'drop' in '72 was because of the change in power rating system from SAE Gross to SAE Net. There was actually very little change in actual performance from '71 to '72.

The major power change year (for GM) was 1971. That's when every engine was de-tuned so that they could run on unleaded 'regular' fuel. The engine compression was reduced across the board and several changes were made to heads, cam, etc.

That doesn't mean that the powerplants were neutered. The engines still had a decent amount of power. Also, some of them were specified at lower RPM numbers than they could actually attain (due to absurd insurance company rates for high-perf cars). Performance was significantly lower than in 1970...but still better than the anemic cars of the mid-late 70's.

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Originally Posted by early shark
It was 1972. The horsepower ratings for the LS-5 was 350hp gross and 270 hp net. In 1971, the LS-5 was 365hp gross and a net rating of 285hp. The difference in the two years came about because of additional carburation, distributor and timing adjustments.
Which are all simple fixes.
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