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Don't get me wrong , I respect peoples individual builds . Some are , imo , too much for me to own . I love the car that started this thread ( minus the extra s on the back ) lots of hard work & $$ went into it and I respect his vision.
The Mach5 , I love it & yes would take it .
The last you posted Bats , well .........
It is someone's vision , just not mine .
The car I just posted was to serve as an example of a hack job, deserving of bashing unlike a well built car which deserves respect for a build well done ( even if you hate the end result )
Originally Posted by Priya
Like you said, the quality of the work is very good despite the terrible style. The owner probably did most of the work him/herself and doesn't have $34000 cash into it but if you priced out their labour at at least $20 per hour I'm certain there's more than 34000 worth of labour in it, especially on the remote chance that they paid a shop $100/hour to do the work. I put about $10000 and roughly 2000 hours of labour into my 81 AMC Eagle. Pricing my labour at $20 per hour I've got $50,000 into the car even though its obviously not worth anywhere near that.
As you call this car horrible style, people will have just as downer things to say about painting your 79 bright pink, and we both know you dont care you are building the car for you not them...just like my 69 build
"By the hour" never worked for me is the person being paid working or out back smoking a cig,
When I started my 81 wide body around 88 I was putting in too much time at my night club to get the car done in a timely manor, I looked for a shop and of course all wanted to do it by the hour, I stopped them right there and said I will pay "for the job" not "by the hour" most said no, the fellow that did it understand how I saw it and he wanted the work,
I did the same with the frame swap on my 69.
Hours of labor be it shop or personal has little to no bearing on value, When a person builds a car themselves as sentimental as that work might be to them it just doesn't have any value at re-sale time only the end result dictates value.
So just going by the pictures I have seen this threads car would be lucky to fetch 10K because it's a base model 76 under the plastic, no ac auto, and a Greenwood Daytona only appeals to a small group this one with the extra tripe on the rear appeals to a very skinny lot....it could take years to find a buyer even at 10K
As you call this car horrible style, people will have just as downer things to say about painting your 79 bright pink, and we both know you dont care you are building the car for you not them...just like my 69 build
Point taken.
Originally Posted by The13Bats
Hours of labor be it shop or personal has little to no bearing on value, When a person builds a car themselves as sentimental as that work might be to them it just doesn't have any value at re-sale time only the end result dictates value.
I never disagreed with that point. What I was saying is that I'm certain the owner has put over $34000 of resources into the car just as I put $50,000 of resources into my AMC Eagle even though the best we could hope for is to sell our cars for a small fraction of that.
I never disagreed with that point. What I was saying is that I'm certain the owner has put over $34000 of resources into the car just as I put $50,000 of resources into my AMC Eagle even though the best we could hope for is to sell our cars for a small fraction of that.
My 69 will when driving and all nice not trailer queen but sweet will have way less than 15K in it ,
Well that is the part that sucks out loud, the resale price, like my wifes step father has a duster with like 50K invested and it will not fetch anywhere near that.
Well, I'll give you that working on your own car at your own pace is a great deal better job than working for a business that expects things done in a particular way in a particular time frame.
Of outright cash invested I could see, but you've got to value your labour at something.
Originally Posted by LAddams
Why? if you did all hobbys and pastimes would be obsolete.
I consider working on my cars "active meditation"
Originally Posted by Priya
Well, I'll give you that working on your own car at your own pace is a great deal better job than working for a business that expects things done in a particular way in a particular time frame.
Not really, not like in any investment kind of way that a put a value on, in fact I never really understood cars in this case vettes as investment, seems too risky unless you just leave it untouched in the sealed garage,
In 09 when I bought my 69 I had noticed a big drop in selling prices across the board for c3's, poor investment?
Okay, the value on my labor, I have other hobbies besides vettes, trikes, kit cars, old arcade stuff which I restore, RC stuff,
And anything I "work" on now days is because I want to I am doing it for me and my wife to enjoy,
I have been asked time to time around here if I would do this or that "for pay" I turn it down, I offer to help the person do the job themselves,
I get emails almost daily asking this or that about some hobby I have interest in, the time I spend helping someone rewards me,
It's not that I don't understand where you are coming from I see people kill themselves on builds but even when / if it comes time to sell and the ad says XXXX hours invested no ones cares, it doesn't seem to help the selling price at all, you know like a 19xx vette was restored ground up, if the job is pristine the car all show queen the buyer seldom cares if the job was done in a week or 5 years...I think labor is sort of like sentimental value in my world.
Okay...I'm starting to babble...
I see people kill themselves on builds but even when / if it comes time to sell and the ad says XXXX hours invested no ones cares, it doesn't seem to help the selling price at all
You know how the old saying goes: Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one.
I am sure that guy loves his car. whether or not you like it or hate it doesn't really matter. It's always easy to bash someone for thinking out of the box.
Maybe if he painted it brown you would like it better.
yeah' it matters! Out of the box and over the cliff are two different things. The purpose of mods are to improve the vehicle either in performance or appearance.This car is far worse than when it was stock. That is not an opinion but a fact.
This is true and then people want to start trying to speak for others or use words like the "consensus" saying this or that is bad, seems a bit ****-ish to start spewing tripe that some name less face less group agrees with your narrow opinion because you say they do,
Lemmings will always drop that lime in their beer just because, but get over ones bad self and don't spew to the next fellow how HE should build his car chances are he doesn't like your build.
Most threads started bashing something are due to boredom and wanting to start the flames.
Just like I said from the start this threads car is too radical for most but the big killer for most is all that extra non sense on the rear, toss the roof station wagon wing, the turbo wing and the pointless rear braces and you have a very nice Greenwood racer look, again not everyones cup o tea. but no worse than, brown paint, odd tacked on hood vents, flame paint on c3's, things sticking out of c3 hoods, modern duck tails, or tilt front ends on flared 69's etc the list goes on Ad nauseam....
So basically according to you get rid of all the crap on the back and it would be a good looking car but the people who say it sucks because of all the crap on the back, well their just ****'s. Is that about it? Oh Ok.
Ok, on the positive side of things, the execution is really nice. As far as the vision, not so much. With a little 'murder' treatment this thing can royally kick-a$$ in the next Death Race
So basically according to you get rid of all the crap on the back and it would be a good looking car but the people who say it sucks because of all the crap on the back, well their just ****'s. Is that about it? Oh Ok.
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I would ask please do not misquote me but Well, you have everything all upside down and turned around and back to front.
I said if the station wagon roof wing, the turbo wing and then the weird brace looking things going down from the roof were removed the car would then be a very well built Greenwood Daytona Wide body. which I went on to say isn't everyone cup - o -tea.
I never said anyone has to like it, personal taste is just that.
Please post YOUR car...
I never said people who say the stuff on the back sucks were **** types I don't like the extra stuff on the back myself, seems no one in this thread likes the extra junk on the back...
The people I said were ****-ish are the ones who want to deny the work is good and want to spew it sucks just because they say so and try to force the more open mined out of box free thinking people to follow them and their thinking like brainless lemmings...now off to more positive threads.
I would ask please do not misquote me but Well, you have everything all upside down and turned around and back to front.
I said if the station wagon roof wing, the turbo wing and then the weird brace looking things going down from the roof were removed the car would then be a very well built Greenwood Daytona Wide body. which I went on to say isn't everyone cup - o -tea.
I never said anyone has to like it, personal taste is just that.
Please post YOUR car...
I never said people who say the stuff on the back sucks were **** types I don't like the extra stuff on the back myself, seems no one in this thread likes the extra junk on the back...
The people I said were ****-ish are the ones who want to deny the work is good and want to spew it sucks just because they say so and try to force the more open mined out of box free thinking people to follow them and their thinking like brainless lemmings...now off to more positive threads.
Originally Posted by 76Rat You know how the old saying goes: Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one.
Originally Posted by donwil
yeah' it matters! Out of the box and over the cliff are two different things. The purpose of mods are to improve the vehicle either in performance or appearance.This car is far worse than when it was stock. That is not an opinion but a fact.
Like I said, Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one. And you seem to have a very big opinion.
I would ask please do not misquote me but Well, you have everything all upside down and turned around and back to front.
I said if the station wagon roof wing, the turbo wing and then the weird brace looking things going down from the roof were removed the car would then be a very well built Greenwood Daytona Wide body. which I went on to say isn't everyone cup - o -tea.
I never said anyone has to like it, personal taste is just that.
Please post YOUR car...
I never said people who say the stuff on the back sucks were **** types I don't like the extra stuff on the back myself, seems no one in this thread likes the extra junk on the back...
The people I said were ****-ish are the ones who want to deny the work is good and want to spew it sucks just because they say so and try to force the more open mined out of box free thinking people to follow them and their thinking like brainless lemmings...now off to more positive threads.
Like I said, Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one. And you seem to have a very big opinion.
Boy you sure told me huh Cooter! I guess all I can say is you can Kiss my opinion!(see what I did there Cooter? used the word "opinion" instead of the other. Just trying to help you understand)
Boy you sure told me huh Cooter! I guess all I can say is you can Kiss my opinion!(see what I did there Cooter? used the word "opinion" instead of the other. Just trying to help you understand)
That's funny right there! (Cooter, LOL) (kiss the fattest part of my opinion, LOL)
whether or not you like it or hate it doesn't really matter. It's always easy to bash someone for thinking out of the box. 
you would like it better. 
