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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 11:16 AM
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Has anyone seen this before? And why?

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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 02:45 PM
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i'm reading that as 3963512 which would be 69 to 71
there also is a 3963513 which would be 73 to 76
I would guess the second number may have a lower value assuming the last two digits have been changed
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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 03:27 PM
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Hi RS,
No, I don't remember seeing a partially 'stamped' 'casting number' on a block.
BUT, I've looked at relatively few blocks.
I'll be interested to hear what more experienced folks have to say.
What does the 'casting date' look like?
What does the front pad look like?
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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 04:07 PM
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Yes me too! I have looked at hundreds of blocks but have never seen one like this. Hope some one can explain it...

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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 05:27 PM
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Been around Chevys for a looong time, never seen a stamped casting no. Beware !
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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 05:54 PM
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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 06:14 PM
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Here is a photo of the numbers, letters, and misc. screws, that were used to make the castings. These are the real deal, the ones that GM used. They would be changed out with each new mold or casting.

The reverse casting (the block) would result with an embossed font on the block.

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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 06:34 PM
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That definetly looks monkeyed with .

Casting were raised for those numbers . They are the hardest to cheat on.

Although there are people who'll will build up the material , not sure how , and chisel out the digits . They generally look funky ....or anything but correct .

But if you have money burning a hole in your pocket , emotions all in a twist .....maybe it doesn't matter ...

If originality means something to you .....then I d walk from this . You want little explaining to do as possible when it's,time for you to sell.

If original doesn't mean a hill of beans ......buy it and be happy
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Originally Posted by Rodney Slavin
Has anyone seen this before? And why?
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Alan Colvin's Chevrolet by the Number 1965-1969 book has two examples where the original casting numbers were ground off and a new one stamped. One is a block and the other a intake manifold. He accounts this practice on blocks to times during production change over of the castings. So it's not unheard of, but also definitely not common.

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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 09:51 PM
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The problem is even if this is legit, it will always be questioned simply because its so unusual. I've never seen one like this.
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I already own the car, have since 2008. I never thought anything was wrong with it or strange about it till someone recently said something about it. Where would I find the casting date? The front pad is pretty much illegible you can make out parts of numbers but not the whole sequence. Was told it had been decked when it was rebuilt in the late 70's to early 80's. The previous owner knew almost nothing about the car as he got it from a lien for a debt owned.
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Alan Colvin's Chevrolet by the Number 1965-1969 book has two examples where the original casting numbers were ground off and a new one stamped. One is a block and the other a intake manifold. He accounts this practice on blocks to times during production change over of the castings. So it's not unheard of, but also definitely not common.

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That's interesting! You wouldn't think that the factory would bother with something like that. But then again they might have.....
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Originally Posted by Rodney Slavin
I already own the car, have since 2008. I never thought anything was wrong with it or strange about it till someone recently said something about it. Where would I find the casting date? The front pad is pretty much illegible you can make out parts of numbers but not the whole sequence. Was told it had been decked when it was rebuilt in the late 70's to early 80's. The previous owner knew almost nothing about the car as he got it from a lien for a debt owned.
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For your block, the casting date will either be on the passenger side bell housing flange directly opposite the casting number, or on the passenger side of the block near the oil dip stick.

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I think it could possibly be the casting had a flaw and one or 2 numbers didn't fill with metal so they stamped the missing numbers in by hand.
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Here is the casting date photo.
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Originally Posted by JC68
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Alan Colvin's Chevrolet by the Number 1965-1969 book has two examples where the original casting numbers were ground off and a new one stamped. One is a block and the other a intake manifold. He accounts this practice on blocks to times during production change over of the castings. So it's not unheard of, but also definitely not common.

John
Yes most of the time where you see this is in the experimental phase of R/D. I have only seen pictures of this but not in person
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