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Old Apr 15, 2017 | 09:02 PM
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Hi All,
Was doing a little digging on my differential in my '69 Coupe.
Looks like based on the codes (as best as I can read them) that I've got a non-Posi rear end, with a date code which could be in the ballpark for my late July of '69 vehicle production.
From what I can read, it looks like:
"1 AK 717 69 W"


Seems a little "off" on the formatting, but the numbers are worn down pretty well. I'll try to clean it better soon, and maybe try a white crayon to highlight the numbers better.


That would make this Diff, a 3.36 non-Posi, built in Warren on July 17, of 1969 (?).


Main question has to do with the standard, base rear end, not being posi-traction, and if that is necessarily a bad thing for my car.
Based on the build figures I found, about 95.4% were ordered with Posi (G81). So wondering if I should be upset that I happened to get one of the remaining 4.6% that didn't want to opt-up for the Posi, for a mere $36.90.
Would I really notice a difference in driving? I don't try to lay rubber much, so minimal effect there.


What is the real difference between a Posi and a non-?
Other than the obvious of both wheels being driven together?
Is the non-Posi still trying to drive both wheels, even under a limited-slip condition?


Thanks in advance for the education.
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Old Apr 15, 2017 | 09:13 PM
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If you aren't planning on street-racing, drifting, or drag racing the car, you won't notice the difference. Oddly, the Posi-Traction rear axle was not included in the base model build until 1971. In 1969, the original buyer saved a grand total of $46.35 on a nearly $5000 car.
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Old Apr 15, 2017 | 09:19 PM
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Thanks,
So what is it that is lacking in the non-Posi, compared to the Posi?
How would one notice the difference?

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Old Apr 15, 2017 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bergerboy
Thanks,
So what is it that is lacking in the non-Posi, compared to the Posi?
How would one notice the difference?
What your lacking is the clutch pack in the rear, that sends power from tire to the other, when the first tire loses traction.

So when you decide that you want to show off for the neighbors, by power braking in the street, you're only going to leave one black streak of rubber down your street. Beyond that, unless you're planning on driving in snow or mud, you're really not going to see any difference.
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Old Apr 15, 2017 | 11:50 PM
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I didnt try it yet on my 69 with 68 donor chassis and who onows what diff but is it correct if i jack up the car in rear both wheels off ground, in netural and hand turn one wheel if posi the other wheel turns same way if not the other wheel turns oppisite way...
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Old Apr 17, 2017 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The13Bats
I didnt try it yet on my 69 with 68 donor chassis and who onows what diff but is it correct if i jack up the car in rear both wheels off ground, in netural and hand turn one wheel if posi the other wheel turns same way if not the other wheel turns oppisite way...

That is correct.
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the advantage of non posi is you only wear out one tire at a time on burn outs
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
If you aren't planning on street-racing, drifting, or drag racing the car, you won't notice the difference. Oddly, the Posi-Traction rear axle was not included in the base model build until 1971. In 1969, the original buyer saved a grand total of $46.35 on a nearly $5000 car.
In today dollars that would be $307.91 or a Custom Floor Console Lid on a 2017 Vette.
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Now - what if I turn one wheel either way, and the oppo wheel doesn't move at all???
Car up on jack stands, in neutral, with park brake off.
Neither wheel seems to affect the other.
However, each wheel does turn the main prop shaft when turned.
Something amiss in my diff?
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With wheels off the ground and a non-posi, you should not expect either wheel to have an effect on the other.
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Thanks 7T1.
2 posts above seem to indicate a non-posi should rotate the oppo wheel the oppo direction.
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Originally Posted by gbvette62
What your lacking is the clutch pack in the rear, that sends power from tire to the other, when the first tire loses traction.

So when you decide that you want to show off for the neighbors, by power braking in the street, you're only going to leave one black streak of rubber down your street. Beyond that, unless you're planning on driving in snow or mud, you're really not going to see any difference.
You would be the living proof (poster child) for the fallicy postulated by Marisa Tomei in 'My cousin Vinny'....

THAT ALL CORVETTES WILL MAKE TWO BLACK EVEN MARKS WHEN LAYING RUBBER!

Do you have a very very early 69? 68 posi was optional 69 it was 'supposed' to be standard equip. Before anyone jumps me...ANYTHING could be deleted during those years.

I own an 'everything delete' car (except for posi! lol) 4 spd tho.
You could even delete the 4 spd and get a 3 spd! (really, really, cheap owner!)
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Thanks L46. That was a good chuckle. Loved that movie and her role in it.
"Did you say 'Yutes'?"
TOP 10 movie lines of all time!

My build date is July 24th of '69.
Researching the options, I found that posi was an option for '69, but was over a 95% runner. So I apparently got one of the cheapies.
it's hard to read the stamping on the diff, but it does appear to be an AK.
Any other tips on making old worn stampings more readable? I wasn't too successful with white crayons so far.

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Originally Posted by Bergerboy
Thanks 7T1.
2 posts above seem to indicate a non-posi should rotate the oppo wheel the oppo direction.
I hope i have posi, my OCD will not let me sleep if i dont, non posi seems so family car to me....

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My Black Book states that Posi was an option until 1971. Can't say if it's correct or not...
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