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My Car is a 1969 Corvette Convertible 427 Tri Power . I was told that the last 3 digits of the VIN number can be different as long as you are with 300 of the original number assigned to the car. Is this correct.
...I was told that the last 3 digits of the VIN number can be different as long as you are with 300 of the original number assigned to the car. Is this correct...
What are you wanting to know? The full VIN for your car is on a tag riveted to the driver's windshield post and visible from outside the car. A VIN derivative is stamped on the engine pad (19S7xxxxx). The consecutive unit number on each must match.
Windshield pillar.... Engine pad.... Transmission.... If all of these aren`t the same number, then it is NOT "numbers matching". (Mine is an automatic, I don`t know if, or where, the 4 speed is stamped).
Hi o,
4-speed transmissions were also stamped.
The same stamp that was used to stamp the engine pad was used to stamp the transmission....so any characteristics of the engine stamp should be seen on the transmission stamp too.
Regards,
Alan
and that C11s, the second 1 looks a little weak. EXACTLY the same in both stampings. I would say this is legit. but I am a nobody. I am gonna have a numbers matching 454 75 convert. the number on the air filter is gonna say 454 just like the number on the hood...
My Car is a 1969 Corvette Convertible 427 Tri Power . I was told that the last 3 digits of the VIN number can be different as long as you are with 300 of the original number assigned to the car. Is this correct.
Yes it is "numbers matching". The term "number matching" does NOT mean ORIGINAL. If your vin is off by 300 then some numbers will match what is supposed to be there such as casting number of the block. It could be off by several thousand.
However, if you have a vin derivative off by 300 or so then it is not the BORN WITH ORIGINAL MOTOR which is the only term that should be used as there is no other meaning.
NUMBER MATCHING is a BS term that is virtually meaningless. If you put a Volkswagen engine in your 69 Corvette and it has a seven stamped into its engine pad then you could say numbers matching. Why? Because there is also a 7 in the 69 vin. Just like in poker, you would have a pair of sevens. Its meaningless.
Do yourself a favor and stop using the term "matching numbers". Throw it out of your vocabulary. Everybody should stop using it.
Last edited by ed427vette; Jan 26, 2018 at 05:55 PM.
Do yourself a favor and stop using the term "matching numbers". Throw it out of your vocabulary. Everybody should stop using it.
Originally Posted by lvmyvt76
see, I don't agree with you ed427vette, but that is my problem, I guess.
Stop using? No Way! I'm going to advertise my 55K mile '71 LS5 Convertible with the original drive train as "matching numbers". Engine, transmission, and differential. Heck, factory paint, interior, and soft top too.
Or are we just getting into semantics?
Last edited by 71 Green 454; Jan 26, 2018 at 06:27 PM.
Yes it can be faked. Yes, it probably is frequently faked. Always? No. Probably not really all that often. Should we stop using the term cuz some people sometimes fake it? Are you gonna stop using money cuz some is counterfeit?
If you put a Volkswagen engine in your 69 Corvette and it has a seven stamped into its engine pad then you could say numbers matching. Why? Because there is also a 7 in the 69 vin.
Originally Posted by dmaxx3500
''numbers matching ''........ it means the car is original as it came off the assembly line
I`d be curious to know how many 69 Corvettes rolled off the assembly line with Volkswagen engines?
why,i have a ''numbers matching '' car,my vin is on my eng,trans,diff,frame,,it means the car is original as it came off the assembly line
The why is simple. At one time matching number may have meant something in the lingo of the car world. Now its used inappropriately by eveyone, but the true Webster definition of the words "matching numbers" does not mean original. If any one number matches anything somewhere then theoretically it could be matching numbers.
Also, you say it means "the car is original as it came off the assembly line". As you know, there are numbers on everything. If you believe this definition, then every part up real should match as well.
And by the way, your car is a great example of a correct original car so you should be offended by the way people misuse the term and ruined it.
A better, clearer, term should be adopted. One that if used can only mean one thing. A term that can not have more than one meaning.
"Born with original parts from the factory" can not mean anything else. Number matching can mean anything and therefore means nothing.
Yes it can be faked. Yes, it probably is frequently faked. Always? No. Probably not really all that often. Should we stop using the term cuz some people sometimes fake it? Are you gonna stop using money cuz some is counterfeit?
The counterfeit money example is not a good analogy. A restamped engine block would be analogous to counterfeit money.
Its not a matter of the term being "faked" its the term being misused to misrepresent.
For example, everyone has there own meaning of "matching numbers". What does it mean?
Dmaxx says, and I quote "it means original as the car came off the assembly line".
That eliminates about 98 percent of all cars right there. I have some very original cars with all original drive trains but not every piece is original. But every piece had a original part number from the factory. Windshield, wheels, distributor, alternator, carb, intake, etc.
Are my cars matching numbers to that definition. No. But they have the born with original drive train.
Part of the point is, where does "matching numbers" start or end? And that's if you take it as meaning "original"
Its a vague term that's been twisted by sellers who didnt even understand its original meaning in the first place. Used just to sell a car for more money.
And this has nothing to do with restamping.
Most people feel "matching numbers" should mean at the very least, original engine, trans and rear.
But then you will see, "matching numbers engine, but replaced trans". So is it matching numbers or not?
I see ads for 69s that say, matching numbers car with 350hp engine with M22 trans. How is that possible? M22 was only on a L88?
Why beat around the bush. It has the original born with parts or it doesn't and which parts are "born with" is what is important.
Clarity is important for me. Matching numbers is just too muddy.
Last edited by ed427vette; Jan 26, 2018 at 10:59 PM.
You would think as a fan of modding i wouldnt care one obese rodents rectum about matching numbers or?
But i do in that i dont like bs,
If i drop my vw engine in my 69 and stamp my 69s vin on the vw engine,
Then i advertise it is "matching numbers" it is, i cant be sued the numbers match, i didnt say the engine was orginal to the car or even gm, i said matching numbers and they do....
I wanna stamp "not matching" on my 454 block, lol,
I like "born with" or even "left factory with" far better than "numbers matching"
The same stamp that was used to stamp the engine pad was used to stamp the transmission....so any characteristics of the engine stamp should be seen on the transmission stamp too.
Regards,
Alan[/QUOTE]
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