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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 01:41 PM
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A famous quote, by a famous person, went something like“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”


Note the attached photo of a 1970 Corvette engine, for a ZR1 convertible, currently listed on ebay


If you are going to lie about it, you might as well go big.

Oh yeah, the famous person who made that quote .... Adolf Hitler

Ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Chevro...9bBIGy&vxp=mtr

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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 01:56 PM
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I'm not real familiar with the old school cars, but you've got me curious. What set off your BS detector?
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So whats the lie ?
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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
I'm not real familiar with the old school cars, but you've got me curious. What set off your BS detector?
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So whats the lie ?
He is saying Stevie Wonder could do a better job stamping that pad.
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 03:08 PM
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I read the whole ad and the guy said he could not prove it was authentic.
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
I'm not real familiar with the old school cars, but you've got me curious. What set off your BS detector?
Note this difference in the VIN stamp between the restamped ebay engine (Top pic) and this factory stamped 70 block (Lower pic). The engine ID stamp and the VIN stamp will ALWAYS be different....which is not so on the ebay engine. It also appears that the restamped ebay engine has the ID and VIN numbers in reverse order too.




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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
I'm not real familiar with the old school cars, but you've got me curious. What set off your BS detector?
THis one popped up on the NCRS forum.

I looked at the engine pad and started laughing.
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Originally Posted by tomboyy
I read the whole ad and the guy said he could not prove it was authentic.
He is claiming it is one of 25 ever made. He is claiming that he has the original engine that PROVES the car is a ZR-1. He says he does not know if its been restamped or not. This car is not one of 25 ever made. The engine does not prove anything. And if Corvette people are looking at the car, he has to know that is an awful restamped engine. Also, earlier this year, someone on the forum posted about this guy's eBay ad. He knew the car before it was modified. I'm sure the seller knows the truth by now.

"YOU ARE BIDDING ON A RARE ICONIC 1 OF 25 EVER MADE
I DONT HAVE THE TANK STICKER ALL I HAVE IS THE ORIGINAL ENGINE THAT PROVES THE CAR IS A ZR1
I DONT KNOW IF ITS BEEN RESTAMPED OR NOT"

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Originally Posted by Orange76L48
It also appears that the restamped ebay engine has the ID and VIN numbers in reverse order too.
A big block stamp is in reverse order from a small block. Assembly date first followed by VIN derivative for big blocks.
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Originally Posted by KingRat
A big block stamp is in reverse order from a small block. Assembly date first followed by VIN derivative for big blocks.
Thank you!

Those ebay block numbers couldn't have been stamped more *****-nilly either.
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 03:32 PM
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Joseph Goebbels

said it not Hitler.
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 03:32 PM
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That is a spec. car for sure :- )
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 03:58 PM
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Isnt the tach wrong also, it should be 6,500 redline?
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 03:59 PM
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I thought the ZR-1 cars were small blocks? Ran the solid lifter LT-1?
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 04:26 PM
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Wrong fan shroud, should be metal.
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KingRat
He is claiming it is one of 25 ever made. He is claiming that he has the original engine that PROVES the car is a ZR-1. He says he does not know if its been restamped or not. This car is not one of 25 ever made. The engine does not prove anything. And if Corvette people are looking at the car, he has to know that is an awful restamped engine. Also, earlier this year, someone on the forum posted about this guy's eBay ad. He knew the car before it was modified. I'm sure the seller knows the truth by now.

"YOU ARE BIDDING ON A RARE ICONIC 1 OF 25 EVER MADE
I DONT HAVE THE TANK STICKER ALL I HAVE IS THE ORIGINAL ENGINE THAT PROVES THE CAR IS A ZR1
I DONT KNOW IF ITS BEEN RESTAMPED OR NOT"
Oh I agree with you... But he did write that and I'm sure he did it so if someone bought it and complained he could point to the ad and say " I didn't know if it was real or not".
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 05:42 PM
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"The depth of their depravity sickens me" I am no expert, but that's the worst re stamp I have ever seen. He knows its bad, that's why his disclaimer is there.
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Originally Posted by 540 vette

Joseph Goebbels

said it not Hitler.
Apparently this is quite a debate:

Wiki says the quote is misattributed to Goebbels:
  • If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
    • Attributed to Goebbels in Publications Relating to Various Aspects of Communism (1946), by United States Congress, House Committee on Un-American Activities, Issues 1-15, p. 19, no reliable source has been located, and this is probably simply a further variation of the Big Lie idea
    • Variants:
    • If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.
    • If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
    • If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
    • If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes truth.
    • If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it.
      • Attributed in The Sack of Rome (2006) by Alexander Stille, p. 14, and also attributed in A World Without Walls: Freedom, Development, Free Trade and Global Governance (2003) by Mike Moore, p. 63

Some insist it’s Hitler.

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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 06:14 PM
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the factory stampings are waaaay deeper and more defined, looks like he stamped that with a 6oz hammer...

and that saying was made famous by Bose as well...better sound, through BULL SH*T
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