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Old Jul 6, 2020 | 12:20 PM
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Having trouble finding information on 1970 LT 1 radiator. I do know They are brass and not aluminum but I have conflicting information on which ones will are correct . I definitely want a brass one. If I could find a used one with the correct date that would be great. Car was built first quarter 1970.Thank you in advance.
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Old Jul 6, 2020 | 01:04 PM
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The part number for a copper radiator is 3018803, and the radiator tag is MK9. The shroud is part number 3956109 and the shroud extension is part number 3956118. Good luck finding an original radiator.

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You should know that a copper-core radiator is going to be expensive and maybe hard to come by. But, if that's what you must have, good luck.

From the standpoint of "function", you do not want nor need a copper radiator. Back in 1970, copper was plentiful and cheap; aluminum was 'new' and more expensive. So GM put less-expensive copper cores in their radiators. However, the performance engines with A/C got the BEST aluminum-core radiators, as they got rid of more heat and were necessary for the coolant system to be successful with a BB powerplant and A/C...especially in hot environments.

Today aluminum radiators are inexpensive and easy to find. And they are functionally better than copper-core radiators. Also, when you paint the cores with 'radiator black' paint, no one know which metal was used to produce it. If you are doing this for NCRS judging, so be it. Otherwise, you would do better with an aluminum core radiator.
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You should know that a copper-core radiator is going to be expensive and maybe hard to come by. But, if that's what you must have, good luck.

From the standpoint of "function", you do not want nor need a copper radiator. Back in 1970, copper was plentiful and cheap; aluminum was 'new' and more expensive. So GM put less-expensive copper cores in their radiators. However, the performance engines with A/C got the BEST aluminum-core radiators, as they got rid of more heat and were necessary for the coolant system to be successful with a BB powerplant and A/C...especially in hot environments.

Today aluminum radiators are inexpensive and easy to find. And they are functionally better than copper-core radiators. Also, when you paint the cores with 'radiator black' paint, no one know which metal was used to produce it. If you are doing this for NCRS judging, so be it. Otherwise, you would do better with an aluminum core radiator.
WTF Aluminum radiators have been used years before 1970. They both cost about the same to manufacture. Both cool the same. Aluminum ones might be less weight & why they were used on L-88'S & ZR-1'S
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Charlie, the copper radiators have a miniscule date on them (see the excellent pictures from Dennis--above the MK9 tag is a date--April of 71 I believe) That dating is not included in the NCRS 70-72 judging manual because it has only come to light in recent years. The MK9 tag is not a date--it is a tag that indicates which radiator it is. I had a 71 LT-1 radiator that was EXTREMELY tired, and used the upper bar and side tanks to have a radiator shop graft them onto a new copper/brass core. It is absolutely correct in appearance, works perfectly, and cost a total of $320. To me, that was worth the price to have it correct.

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fwiw:
https://www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/1...rs-cool-better
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
From the standpoint of "function", you do not want nor need a copper radiator. Back in 1970, copper was plentiful and cheap; aluminum was 'new' and more expensive. So GM put less-expensive copper cores in their radiators. However, the performance engines with A/C got the BEST aluminum-core radiators, as they got rid of more heat and were necessary for the coolant system to be successful with a BB powerplant and A/C...especially in hot environments.
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In 1966 GM changed from aluminum to Copper/Brass radiators in all 427 engines and 327 with Air Conditioning that needed additional cooling that the standard aluminum Harrison radiator could not provide. There is no C3 with a factory aluminum radiator that is also equipped with A/C or big block.

(of course with the exception of 216 factory race car L88 engines that were designed to operate at 100mph and had the benefit of ram air cooling.)

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Thanks for all the great info. I’ve gone this far so I’m on the hunt for an MK9. Anybody?
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Originally Posted by bigredbrad
In 1966 GM changed from aluminum to Copper/Brass radiators in all 427 engines and 327 with Air Conditioning that needed additional cooling that the standard aluminum Harrison radiator could not provide. There is no C3 with a factory aluminum radiator that is also equipped with A/C or big block.

(of course with the exception of 216 factory race car L88 engines that were designed to operate at 100mph and had the benefit of ram air cooling.)

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I still wonder why the 70 LT-1 had a cooper one except the ZR-1 & all other SB'S had aluminum. Don't recall a 350 with Ac that had a copper one. Read a article about this & the consciences was that it had no real reason.
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Originally Posted by kenba
I still wonder why the 70 LT-1 had a cooper one except the ZR-1 & all other SB'S had aluminum. Don't recall a 350 with Ac that had a copper one. Read a article about this & the consciences was that it had no real reason.
70 base 350= alum 316 rad
70 base/l46+ac/+lt1= b/c rad
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Charliedents, I sent you a p/m
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Originally Posted by kenba
I still wonder why the 70 LT-1 had a cooper one except the ZR-1 & all other SB'S had aluminum. Don't recall a 350 with Ac that had a copper one.
ZR1 same reason as L88. It did not need cooling sitting at stoplights or in the grocery parking lot, none of those cars were sold to put on the street. The ZR1 sole design purpose was 100mph+ where you really dont even need the engine fan - the ram air is doing all the work of a fan shroud, fan clutch and fan so they could remove the extra weight of the copper brass radiator, close up the core support opening and use the small block aluminum Harrison radiator.



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Does anybody know if the MK9 tag is exclusive to LT1s? If not, I guess any Manual small block copper rad will work.
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Originally Posted by boat196
The part number for a copper radiator is 3018803, and the radiator tag is MK9. The shroud is part number 3956109 and the shroud extension is part number 3956118. Good luck finding an original radiator.Bob
Above is your answer. All LT1 and L46 used this above 26" copper/brass radiator. No surge tank
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