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Old Aug 6, 2021 | 04:58 PM
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Are rivet bumps on an early C3 a plus or minus on a very original car? I ask because while there is the appearance factor and the underlying corrosion, I’ve seen comments and for sale ads talking of them in positive terms with respect to originality and them being indicative of an original no hit car. Thoughts?
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How could they be a plus? Looks like crap, and needs repaired. I will never understand how being "original" somehow makes something better. Maybe GM should install rivet bumps on brand new cars to make them look better.
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I don't like them and made sure my car did not have any. If there is rust enough there then likely much more other places. I think you have sales people trying to sell what they have.
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There are lots of things that are better when they are original, but rivets coming through on the nose is not one of them. It does not prove the car was not hit.

Its a bad sign and can signal other rust issues. It’s not an easy fix either.
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Redvette, no I don’t have salespeople trying to sell me something. It is so annoying when I ask a legitimate question and get sarcasm. My car has minor bumps, it’s very original and not a rust bucket. Most people know the bumps are caused by the dissimilar metals and not road salt, though obviously salt would exacerbate the problem. My bumps are the same as they were when the car was judged 2nd flight 20 years ago. I’m debating whether to repair them. I’m pretty sure I will but just wanted to get some opinions. Thanks for yours.
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Old Aug 6, 2021 | 06:38 PM
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There are lots of things that are better when they are original, but rivets coming through on the nose is not one of them. It does not prove the car was not hit.

Its a bad sign and can signal other rust issues. It’s not an easy fix either.
I thought because my car doesn't have them that the front end had some paint work at one time... but it hasn't had paint work and there are no rivet issues. Then I asked the owner from 1973 - 2018 how he cared for the car. He never washed it and never drove it with the T-tops in it... never is a strong word, however the car is from mid ohio and was there until 2018 and has no issues. I take it as a MAJOR plus that the car doesn't have them and it is original paint.
The first two are current photos and the last one is the day the car was delivered.



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The rivets bumps are not original when the was made. It is a result from years of differential metal corrosion (steel support bar and Aluminum rivet). It only indicates that the front end is original but the Corvette was stored outside or in a poorly ventilated storage site. I have viewed hundreds of original Corvette with out this issue.
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Originally Posted by Lark327
I’m debating whether to repair them. I’m pretty sure I will but just wanted to get some opinions.
Mine were a bit easier to fix because the front clip was off the car...... but it was still a huge pain in the a$$...... and well worth every bit of it.
I think you`ll be very happy when they`re gone, and you, too, will say.... "It was worth it".
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The rivets hold the steel reinforcement to a fiberglass piece that, in turn, is bonded to the underside of the surround. As PJO points out, the issue is dissimilar metals. The aluminum rivets have a higher negative anodic index than steel so the rivet corrodes from galvanic action. For that galvanic reaction to occur, however, there needs to be an electrolyte which, in these cases, is water, most likely from a high humidity environment.

My take is that if your car has the original paint, leave the warts alone. The car is likely worth more if it has presentable original paint than a fresh repaint. However, if your paint is not original, it is your call if you want to have them addressed. Just know that any respray effort, if partial, will be detectable so you need to consider that aspect as well.
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Originally Posted by firstgenaddict
I thought because my car doesn't have them that the front end had some paint work at one time... but it hasn't had paint work and there are no rivet issues. Then I asked the owner from 1973 - 2018 how he cared for the car. He never washed it and never drove it with the T-tops in it... never is a strong word, however the car is from mid ohio and was there until 2018 and has no issues. I take it as a MAJOR plus that the car doesn't have them and it is original paint.
The first two are current photos and the last one is the day the car was delivered.
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I have a 69 that is also very original, had been off the road since 1978. It has no rivet issue at all. It was a San Diego car until I bought it in 2015. It only had very light surface rust on frame with most of the original black frame paint still on it. One of the most solid unrestored 69’s I have seen. Point being, why some get them, but some don’t. I have heard the issue of two different metals. It’s more than just that. It also has to do with moisture reaching those two different metals causing them to react. So it stands to reason, and I agree with PJO, that the storage during its lifetime may have contributed to the issue. That means looking deeper in case those potentially poor storage conditions created other issues over time.

To the OP, since you did ask for opinions, I would fix it if I had the ability to do so. And in Redvettes defense, I thought you were looking at a car to buy also. It kinda sounded like that when you mentioned you were looking at sales ads. I didn’t think he was being sarcastic. Sales people will say anything to sell a car. I think that’s all he was saying.

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They are a sign of a underlying problem. Sooner or later they need to be fixed.
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If you or a shop wants to tackle the issue and replace the headerbar removing the swollen disintegrating aluminium rivets, it’s a bit more technical with an assembled and painted car but can be done.

There are some good pictures of what you need to do along with a URL to a Willcox how to doc.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1603107310

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Originally Posted by Flyboy1958
How could they be a plus? Looks like crap, and needs repaired. I will never understand how being "original" somehow makes something better. Maybe GM should install rivet bumps on brand new cars to make them look better.


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Originally Posted by Flyboy1958
I will never understand how being "original" somehow makes something better.
And yet it does.

Besides, as someone said, the bumps weren’t “original.”
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This is how Phantom Works removes the bumps!
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Originally Posted by Lark327
Redvette, no I don’t have salespeople trying to sell me something. It is so annoying when I ask a legitimate question and get sarcasm. My car has minor bumps, it’s very original and not a rust bucket. Most people know the bumps are caused by the dissimilar metals and not road salt, though obviously salt would exacerbate the problem. My bumps are the same as they were when the car was judged 2nd flight 20 years ago. I’m debating whether to repair them. I’m pretty sure I will but just wanted to get some opinions. Thanks for yours.
I would repair them, did on my 68, they stuck out like a sore thumb. All the dirty work was done from underneath. Not high tech but time consuming for sure. I used a 2 part adhesive to reattach the bar.
If you decide to tackle it there's plenty of threads here to show the procedure. Good luck.
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