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Nov 1, 2021 | 07:16 AM

Pegan2261

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Bean counters!

This is a WOW.
this is the point where the transmission tunnel meets the panel behind the seats..steel floor pan car.. Both sides are like this.

3-8 years to make this right.

Are the glass floor cars like?

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Nov 1, 2021 | 08:11 AM

69L88

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Can you post a pic that allows a better understanding of exactly where this shot is?

Nov 1, 2021 | 08:59 AM

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I think it would take only 2 - 7 years to make that right. Could be made left sooner.

Nov 1, 2021 | 09:01 AM

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Can you post a pic that allows a better understanding of exactly where this shot is?

It's where the transmission tunnel meets the wall behind the seat.

Nov 1, 2021 | 10:41 AM

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With that amount of rust in the car, I'm not sure it can ever be made "right". Much of the steel in that car is gone forever.

Nov 1, 2021 | 12:53 PM

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With that amount of rust in the car, I'm not sure it can ever be made "right". Much of the steel in that car is gone forever.

There is a bit of surface rust but not more than that. Looks to me just a poor St. Louis assembly job.

I’d fab up a cover plate, clean the area and bond it.

Nov 1, 2021 | 03:17 PM

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Is this some type of joke that I do not understand? I don't even understand what the OP is talking about and what the problem is. What do "bean counters" have to do with this?

Nov 1, 2021 | 03:38 PM

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IDK either. I guess it depends on the beans ...and who's doing the counting

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[Coffee beans and pretty lady pic deleted by self -- for ladies who may be on the forum..]

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Nov 1, 2021 | 04:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 69L88

...Looks to me just a poor St. Louis assembly job...

FWIW: Looks more like age to me.

Nov 1, 2021 | 04:55 PM

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With that amount of rust in the car, I'm not sure it can ever be made "right". Much of the steel in that car is gone forever.

That isn't a rust hole, it's an assembly quality issue.

Nov 1, 2021 | 04:58 PM

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Is this some type of joke that I do not understand? I don't even understand what the OP is talking about and what the problem is. What do "bean counters" have to do with this?

There are some serious issues with the fitment of these panels, from the factory, that was caused by GM being cheap.

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Nov 1, 2021 | 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mike

FWIW: Looks more like age to me.

That gap could not have come from age. These are two steel panels spot welded together, with minimal rust.

It came from the factory like that.

Now the front of the Trans tunnel is seperated from the fire wall because it's steel riveted to fiberglass.

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Nov 1, 2021 | 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 69L88

There is a bit of surface rust but not more than that. Looks to me just a poor St. Louis assembly job.

I’d fab up a cover plate, clean the area and bond it.

What will be done.

Nov 1, 2021 | 06:38 PM

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I know exactly what and where you're talking about OP.

And that isnt rusty at all. Just a little surface rust, which is nothing.

Nov 1, 2021 | 07:17 PM

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I know exactly what and where you're talking about OP.

And that isnt rusty at all. Just a little surface rust, which is nothing.

Have you seen that gap before?

Nov 1, 2021 | 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pegan2261

Have you seen that gap before?

Cant say I've seen one that big, but I've definitely seen gaps like that on steel floor cars. I haven't seen them on fiberglass floor cars.

Nov 1, 2021 | 07:27 PM

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Yours actually fits better than mine. This is a 70, my rivets did not pull the components together

Nov 1, 2021 | 07:32 PM

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GM was producing twice as many cars that the assembly line was originally designed for ....and using an assembly method (i.e. somewhat hand-built bodies) which was more intensive than the assembly line could bear. When you get into that triangle of Time (speed)/Cost/Quality ..something's going to give. GM couldn't raise prices unrealistically, they weren't about to turn away orders, ...so guess what suffered?

GM knew it need a modern plant and modern assembly process, hence the Bowling Green plant.

You saw a similar level of sloppiness with late 70's Trans Am's too due to similar factors.

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Nov 1, 2021 | 07:40 PM

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Yours actually fits better than mine. This is a 70, my rivets did not pull the components together

Not what I was expecting, at all. The steel car fits better!

Nov 1, 2021 | 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pegan2261

Not what I was expecting, at all. The steel car fits better!

X2!

I haven't come across a fiberglass floor car that had bad gaps, but I guess they suffered the same issue.

Learn something new every day!

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