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Old Mar 8, 2022 | 02:16 PM
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Hello, 82 owner here. I wanna learn more about the CFI system. Any good resources other than the shop manual and the AIM? It can be at any level of technical depth.
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CFI is essentially the same exact thing as other GM TBI systems. The only difference is that the two injectors are placed in two separate one barrel throttle bodies instead of being in one two barrel throttle body. You'll probably find a lot more information on TBI then CFI, the principles are applied in the same manner in both systems.
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CFI is essentially the same exact thing as other GM TBI systems. The only difference is that the two injectors are placed in two separate one barrel throttle bodies instead of being in one two barrel throttle body. You'll probably find a lot more information on TBI then CFI, the principles are applied in the same manner in both systems.
Thank you. Any particular ones you know of? I am specifically looking for the CPU/Prom program side. I wanna know what the system is thinking and doing
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I don't know of any resources off hand. I know you going to laugh, I would try the public library. You be surprised the resources available there.
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I don't know of any resources off hand. I know you going to laugh, I would try the public library. You be surprised the resources available there.
In one of the biggest libraries in Maryland at the moment, Ill see what I find. Thanks. If anyone knows of any CFI specific resources, please lmk.
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reach out to BUCCANEER and be nice!

The service manual is great however.

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Thank you. Any particular ones you know of? I am specifically looking for the CPU/Prom program side. I wanna know what the system is thinking and doing
If you want to know more about a better ECM, go here and start reading. EBL Also, there is a TON of good info on the Third Gen site about DIY tuning in the Technical area etc... Go here 3rd Gen Personally, I've been doing CFI for 30 years specifically and I wouldn't waste my time with PROM or programing/burning anything for CFI, it isn't worth the effort. I've been down that road two decades ago with CFI. However, if you want to improve your 82 CF, the EBL IS the right way to go since it IS 100% laptop tunable and can accommodate any mods you want to throw at it or just get a better stock tune. Also, if you are looking for a better stock tune, let me know and I will send you a GREAT stock tune for an 82 for FREE. Jus sayin'. Downside, you WILL need an EBL to use it. Hope this helps.
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Tom, do you have any 1/4 mile time feedback from the CFI owners that have the EBL and your tune? I'm curious to see how it compares to my tune.
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If you want to know more about a better ECM, go here and start reading. EBL Also, there is a TON of good info on the Third Gen site about DIY tuning in the Technical area etc... Go here 3rd Gen Personally, I've been doing CFI for 30 years specifically and I wouldn't waste my time with PROM or programing/burning anything for CFI, it isn't worth the effort. I've been down that road two decades ago with CFI. However, if you want to improve your 82 CF, the EBL IS the right way to go since it IS 100% laptop tunable and can accommodate any mods you want to throw at it or just get a better stock tune. Also, if you are looking for a better stock tune, let me know and I will send you a GREAT stock tune for an 82 for FREE. Jus sayin'. Downside, you WILL need an EBL to use it. Hope this helps.
thanks Buc! To be honest, I’m not looking to tune. I just wanna know exactly how it works stock just in case it breaks on me. I’ll check out what u posted but do u know of any resources on the stock system?
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A tune isn't just for performance. You can improve drivability, fuel economy, idle speed, etc. All the adjustments you used to make with hand tools to get the car to operate the way you prefer is done with a laptop. For example, most everyone hates that their converter locks up too early. A tune can raise the lock up MPH so it's no longer a annoyance. A updated and tuneable ECM is the single best thing for any 80's EFI car.

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Oh so ur recommending ECM replacement? I kinda wanna just learn the stock system though before I start messing with it.
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Oh so ur recommending ECM replacement?
No, if it's runs good and your happy with it leave it alone.
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Originally Posted by Fly skids up!
No, if it's runs good and your happy with it leave it alone.
A CFI system that is running well (with good fuel/maintenance and use) will CONTINUE to run well....it's very robust, as my 40 year old (ORIGINAL) CE will attest!

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A CFI system that is running well (with good fuel/maintenance and use) will CONTINUE to run well....it's very robust, as my 40 year old (ORIGINAL) CE will attest!

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What is maintenance specific to CFI?
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fuel injector cleaner.
Looking at the spray pattern.
Lubing the linkages.
Checking and adjusting the TPS.
Keeping the battery compartment clean and all the connectors.

basic stuff.

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Originally Posted by L-46man
fuel injector cleaner.
Looking at the spray pattern.
Lubing the linkages.
Checking and adjusting the TPS.
Keeping the battery compartment clean and all the connectors.

basic stuff.

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spray pattern? What am I looking for?
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Tom, do you have any 1/4 mile time feedback from the CFI owners that have the EBL and your tune? I'm curious to see how it compares to my tune.
None! However, one guy that was testing his 82 for us and there were three 82s in the EBL test tuning, but really four which was a chevy dealership in MO with an 82 as well. One of the 82s after the final tune bin file took it out and hammered it. His reply to me was..."If my doors were wings, this car would have took off". He really liked the performance vs his stock GM ECM tune. My tune is not on the hairy edge by any means, but it isn't as conservative as GMs either. So, since mine is nowhere's stock, I can not test that tune on my 82, but like I said, four other 82s liked it. My current tune in my 82 has not been to the track yet, but 11s is in my future...ALL CFI, NO bottle.

Also, the dealership called me and thanked me for the tune and was amazed how well it ran. They made one small change to the tune and lowered the idle down just a touch.

One more thing, there is not much out there on the stock ECM like there was a couple decades ago when CFI was VERY hot subject, but if you dig for it, you may find the info you seek. The 82 stock tune was never fully hacked like the 84 was BTW.
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Some good info right here if you have not found it

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...solutions.html

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None! However, one guy that was testing his 82 for us and there were three 82s in the EBL test tuning, but really four which was a chevy dealership in MO with an 82 as well. One of the 82s after the final tune bin file took it out and hammered it. His reply to me was..."If my doors were wings, this car would have took off". He really liked the performance vs his stock GM ECM tune. My tune is not on the hairy edge by any means, but it isn't as conservative as GMs either. So, since mine is nowhere's stock, I can not test that tune on my 82, but like I said, four other 82s liked it. My current tune in my 82 has not been to the track yet, but 11s is in my future...ALL CFI, NO bottle.

Also, the dealership called me and thanked me for the tune and was amazed how well it ran. They made one small change to the tune and lowered the idle down just a touch.

One more thing, there is not much out there on the stock ECM like there was a couple decades ago when CFI was VERY hot subject, but if you dig for it, you may find the info you seek. The 82 stock tune was never fully hacked like the 84 was BTW.
My tune is a conservative too. An a/f of 12.6 and total timing of 34 BTDC @4400 RPM's, 100% load. That traditional 36 degrees all in by 3000 RPM's didn't work out so hot for me. I remember you mentioned your idle speed some time ago. I thought it was a bit too high. I set mine to 650 RPM's in both neutral and drive at 195 degrees.
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My idle speed right now is good for the cam that I run which is at 850rpm. Stock idle is lower, but higher than stock and the tune was created to take advantage of the slightly higher idle speed. Base timing is stock GM spec at 6* BTDC and FP needs to be 13psi to take full advantage of the tune and its full potentical.
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