Installing Steeroids...have a question...
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Installing Steeroids...have a question...
For those of you who have done this, I went to count the turns lock to lock, but cannot turn to max right because the center tie-rod bracket (where the tie-rod bolts in), hits the tubing. Anyone have this problem?
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
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For those of you who have done this, I went to count the turns lock to lock, but cannot turn to max right because the center tie-rod bracket (where the tie-rod bolts in), hits the tubing.
Anyone have this problem?
yes i had that problem.....i wound up putting two extra washers inbetween the rack and pinion unit and the tie rod bracket...i discussed this at length with the engineer at Steeroids and you have to install one on each bolt....these are available at Home Depot in the Metric bins... i even had them send me a different tube and it didn't make a difference....i'll add a picture to this... my mouse is not clicking and copying have to figure this out?
Originally Posted by 73 Vet
For those of you who have done this, I went to count the turns lock to lock, but cannot turn to max right because the center tie-rod bracket (where the tie-rod bolts in), hits the tubing. Anyone have this problem?
Last edited by bobs77vet; Feb 13, 2005 at 08:37 PM.
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
here it is.... the right tie rod bolt is hitting the power steering tube....by adding the extra washer it turned the tie rod bracket out and
away from the tubing.....(you did put the washer they sent you in between the rack unit and the tie rod bracket right?)
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away from the tubing.....(you did put the washer they sent you in between the rack unit and the tie rod bracket right?)
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Originally Posted by bobs77vet
here it is.... the right tie rod bolt is hitting the power steering tube....by adding the extra washer it turned the tie rod bracket out and
away from the tubing.....(you did put the washer they sent you in between the rack unit and the tie rod bracket right?)
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away from the tubing.....(you did put the washer they sent you in between the rack unit and the tie rod bracket right?)
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[/IMG]Thank you very much for your help. I' ll get after it.
By the way, no need to replay to my other note to you; but it may be helpfull to others.
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by 73 Vet
Yes I did, and I was contemplating extra washers...for over $1100.00, I wouldn't have expected this.
Thank you very much for your help. I' ll get after it.
By the way, no need to replay to my other note to you; but it may be helpfull to others.
Thank you very much for your help. I' ll get after it.
By the way, no need to replay to my other note to you; but it may be helpfull to others.
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What 'tubing' you al referring to??? the tubing from the power valving to the cylinder on the other end of the rack??? about the ONLY thing I can logically referr to,....and in that case, it's just typical brake tubing, nothing to get upset about, bend it outta the way for christsakes....
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by mrvette
What 'tubing' you al referring to??? the tubing from the power valving to the cylinder on the other end of the rack??? about the ONLY thing I can logically referr to,....and in that case, it's just typical brake tubing, nothing to get upset about, bend it outta the way for christsakes....
GENE
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From: Orange Park Florida
Originally Posted by bobs77vet
yes thats the tubing...problem is its right at the 90* bend where it attaches to the rack.....its almost too short to bend.
MY rack install on the other hand was done by me on my own, and so it's a total differant install, and never had any line problems that I recall, though I may well have just bent them outta the way without thinking about it much...
GENE
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I looked at that Flaming River rear steer rack there, and I seriously doubt it would fit into a shark.....much too wide from tip to tip, and that tie rod length would be so short the bump steer would be horrendous, ....much worse than now,....
I had some experiences with that setup using a Taurus rack when I was messing with doing my install about 4 years ago...
GENE
I had some experiences with that setup using a Taurus rack when I was messing with doing my install about 4 years ago...
GENE
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My Steeroids install went off without a serious hitch. No need for additional washers or bending of tubes.
I did have to ream out the power steering pump hose to make it fit over the pump nipple, and I had to grind the paint off the steering shaft so it would fit into the ujoint assembly...but I hardly consider these to be serious issues.
For some reason, the install seems to be easier in late-model C3's than early ones. With regards to fitment issues, I think it has to do more with the *very* loose tolerances these cars had when originally manufactured than the Steeroids kit itself.
Finally, I'd recommend the Steeroids kit over the Flaming River one. This is because the Steeroids product has been on the market for a few years and they've had time to iron out most of the bugs. The Flaming River kit is a *new* product...and you may find yourself doing some unintended R&D work for them!
I did have to ream out the power steering pump hose to make it fit over the pump nipple, and I had to grind the paint off the steering shaft so it would fit into the ujoint assembly...but I hardly consider these to be serious issues.
For some reason, the install seems to be easier in late-model C3's than early ones. With regards to fitment issues, I think it has to do more with the *very* loose tolerances these cars had when originally manufactured than the Steeroids kit itself.
Finally, I'd recommend the Steeroids kit over the Flaming River one. This is because the Steeroids product has been on the market for a few years and they've had time to iron out most of the bugs. The Flaming River kit is a *new* product...and you may find yourself doing some unintended R&D work for them!
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by joshwilson3
So is it mandatory to add these two additional washers?
Has Steeroids added this info in their installation instructions?
What size washers?
The reason being, is that I plan on doing this in the near future and I'm gonna have a shop put it in. I'm a novice, so I just wanna make sure it gets done right. Also, when you guys do this, do you go ahead and replace the pump? I was thinking of going ahead and replacing it while I'm at it, what pump should I get?
thanks
Has Steeroids added this info in their installation instructions?
What size washers?
The reason being, is that I plan on doing this in the near future and I'm gonna have a shop put it in. I'm a novice, so I just wanna make sure it gets done right. Also, when you guys do this, do you go ahead and replace the pump? I was thinking of going ahead and replacing it while I'm at it, what pump should I get?
thanks
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From: Berlin
Originally Posted by joshwilson3
Would it be a good idea to go ahead and replace the PS pump?
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by joshwilson3
So any washer that is metric will work? I'm a novice and don't know what all this stuff is, so I will need to know the exact size of the metric washer.
Do you have any pics of the installed Steeroids setup and where you had to put the washers?
thanks, I'll probably go with the Steeroids setup. When I do this, is there anything else that I should replace? Would it be a good idea to go ahead and replace the PS pump?
thanks
Do you have any pics of the installed Steeroids setup and where you had to put the washers?
thanks, I'll probably go with the Steeroids setup. When I do this, is there anything else that I should replace? Would it be a good idea to go ahead and replace the PS pump?
thanks
its the two bolts in the center of the bracket, the washers go between the bracket and the rack and pinion unit
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[/IMG] and this is the problem, this was with the original pwr steering tubing that was too long...
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[/IMG] this was not a real issue and i love my steeroids....
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by 81corvettevortec
once you guys fixed it, how many turns was it lock to lock?
Ryan.
Ryan.
mine is 2 1/2 turns lock to lock