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Old May 25, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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Ok, I placed an LS1 in a frame with TH400 behind it to locate original engine placement. I removed o/e motor support brackets from frame,so far so good however my first real problem so far is the compressor clutch clearance at right spring tower. ? At this point all sorts of visions started to come to mind, (sitting at an intersection in July waiting for the light to change with the windows down was the first)however I figured it would be best to ask for other solutions because I realize that my way isn't the only way and would greatly appreciate some feedback. I intend to be freezing my nads off at an intersection in July waiting to STOMP it. So it looks to me like some surgery is needed in the fat dapartment. Just asking, so please, these transplants seem to be growing in popularity and I know I'm not alone in this. I am a purist, so the original placement of all these belt driven components is critical and I wouldn't even think of hangin some peice of japcrap six inches off the right cylinder head, come to think of it that's where the old A6 hung out. That is just not an option. Thanks in advance. dp
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Old May 25, 2005 | 12:37 AM
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So you basically want to keep the same configuration without relocating anything yet magically find clearance for all the accessories for an engine that wasnt designed to be used in your car? I dont think that is going to happen. YOu are going to have to move things around if you want to keep A/C
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Old May 25, 2005 | 02:35 AM
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So you basically want to keep the same configuration without relocating anything yet magically find clearance for all the accessories for an engine that wasnt designed to be used in your car? I dont think that is going to happen. YOu are going to have to move things around if you want to keep A/C
Moving components rearward and moving compressor closer to engine block will get some extra room This engine is from a camaro, I don't have a vette to compare it to but I know the camaro components are further forward, just not sure if they are positioned the same, alt lower left, comp lower rt etc. Moving brackets, pulleys and tensioners may be an option that's why I'm asking. A friend has a Z06 and I hadn't even studied his setup, for all I know it may be way wrong, I'm not nearly finished researching. I have seen kits that locate alt on rt and comp on lt. The original setup works extremely well however it does interfere with the chassis. When I said "I'm a purist" I was making a joke, but magic, that's funny.
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Old May 25, 2005 | 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Surfer Dan
Moving components rearward and moving compressor closer to engine block will get some extra room This engine is from a camaro, I don't have a vette to compare it to but I know the camaro components are further forward, just not sure if they are positioned the same, alt lower left, comp lower rt etc. Moving brackets, pulleys and tensioners may be an option that's why I'm asking. A friend has a Z06 and I hadn't even studied his setup, for all I know it may be way wrong, I'm not nearly finished researching. I have seen kits that locate alt on rt and comp on lt. The original setup works extremely well however it does interfere with the chassis. When I said "I'm a purist" I was making a joke, but magic, that's funny.

I enjoy your joking mannor, its refreshing. It's good to see someone joke instead of getting frustrated.
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Old May 25, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Surfer Dan
Moving components rearward and moving compressor closer to engine block will get some extra room This engine is from a camaro, I don't have a vette to compare it to but I know the camaro components are further forward, just not sure if they are positioned the same, alt lower left, comp lower rt etc. Moving brackets, pulleys and tensioners may be an option that's why I'm asking.
Go to Street and Performanceswebsite and you can see the different stock component locations. Maybe that will help.
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Old May 26, 2005 | 06:23 AM
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Go to Street and Performanceswebsite and you can see the different stock component locations. Maybe that will help.
Thanks guys, I did check S&P www.hotrodlane.cc (please take no offense I'm not spamin) That's where I learned the difference in balancers and in fact did see the layouts on pg. 59 of their online catalog, the comparison of camaro vs vette (I think my flash memory card is burnt out or I no longer have access to more recent files - sometimers) Where the hell was I, man I hate when that happens. Oh yeah, the camaro setup is from what I saw is the most compact if you will, so thanks for helping me answer my own question. (I have an uncanny ability for missing the totally obvious sometimes, when it turns to mostimers I guess my wife will put me in the back yard on a bench to drool) SO HELP ME DECIDE WHAT TO DO WIT DIS CAW DAMIT, SO I CN DRIVE IT AGAIN BEFORE I DIE! Oh pardon me, I forgot to take my meds. Man I hate when that happens. Question is "What would YOU do?" A. Do a little mod to the frame? B. Shove it all back in the corner and take more meds? C. Build a camaro? (C. Is still an option regardless.) And one more thing before I waste any more of your time. The seats, I like the original Basket Weave pattern. In the psych ward I made a basket that looked like a vette, you could put four lemons under it and roll it across the floor. It was fast too!
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Old May 26, 2005 | 09:08 AM
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Front coil-overs and trim the shock tower is a pretty easy but expensive fix if you can weld.
There are LS1s in C3s here ... think madmikee has ls1 ... maybe patsnitrovette (forget if lt1 or ls1)

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Old May 26, 2005 | 10:58 AM
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In order to save yourself pain... you need to look into different pulley setup to RUN A/C (NEWMAN car creations has just a AC bracket for LS1 swaps) will be cheaper than S&P

I am running into the same problem... so I am putting off A/C this year to save for the new pulley system... I am removing my A/C and running F-body pulley for PS, ALT, WP to the crank... fit no problems.

**However I did move my engine forward (and tranny TH350) about in inch. I used ZO6 manifolds fit perfect. A custom power steering hose to run the LS power steering.
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Old May 26, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/
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Old May 26, 2005 | 08:40 PM
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Sorry, I've been out of town. You can buy a kit or make A/C brackets pretty easy. Plenty of room up top.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 12:11 AM
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Man u guys r all right, lotsa good info here. Newman's got some nice stuff man, I had no idea. Somethin about white vettes, they look so tame but who knows what E-vil LURKS beneath their hoods? Da Shadow do! Those TPI L98s scream, I can only hope this LS1 is even Nastier. And Bud, is that a sKULL shift **** or is my mind playin trix on me again? NH, I like ya Coupenstien. "ALL" u guys (Yall) have been a BIG help, I thought I was all alone but now I've found a support group made up of people like me, Man that's frightening. Well men I've been up all week and the toothpicks r about to snap, so I'm goin to make a pot of coffee (CDM Nawlins Blend 4 scoops to 4 cups) and pick up some smokes. See Ya Laita Alli Gata
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Old May 27, 2005 | 08:19 AM
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http://www.superchevy-web.com/techni...de/index1.html

Link from Super Chevy that shows the Newman A/C bracket.

YEAH WHITE VETTES WITH POWER RULE!!!
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Old May 29, 2005 | 12:25 AM
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Thanks Plastic, I e-d em and they responded telling me the bracket and the sanden was the cure but had no pics even on their site, they did say it relocates over rt. cover. But a pic is worth a thousand words. However, I called Ranshu in TX and got someone to find the smallest dia clutch hub, 109mm. vs 137 stock. Its a six groove, Delphi 3 peice set he didn't give me the # but said he could get it and ship to me. So next step is pick up a 700R4 core from a friend to use in mock up then place the body on and do some more measurin. I think it was u that said u moved engine forward 1 inch. I'm still experimentin but I'ld like to move it back 2 inches but 1 might be all I can squeeze, I'll find out when I get to step three. You probably already have the answer to that though, if I can get it back an inch or more I think I can make it work. If memory serves I was able to squeeze a 9/16 box end between the firewall and trans to get to the top trans bolts leaning over the fenders, at least the lt one, but I really wont know till I fiddle with it a little more. Oh and there's that other problem I been thinkin about which may or not be a problem, the evap case, and I certainly would want to send the expansion & poa valves to the Smithsonian. So I'll find out maybe Monday if I can hustle a trailer to get the body hauled to the shop. I thought about towing it behind a car but it's on SWIVEL casters and we all know how well they cooperate. Then I thought about pushin it there but the're a lot of runners in the hood and I could let them push it while I guide it with a rope but somebody would get killed by a cellphone slingin socker mom, so I'll wait for a trailer. It's 1 mile away on a level straight asphalt road but safty first they always say. I'm just kinda anxious, thats all. Oh and it's white with red. Yea you rite.
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If you wanna try and put it back just be careful and take your time to measure out the clearance for exhaust manifolds.....and the front pulley system, clearing the power brakes, and AC/Heater box
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Old May 30, 2005 | 08:58 AM
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[QUOTE= And Bud, is that a sKULL shift **** or is my mind playin trix on me again? NH, I like ya Coupenstien. [/QUOTE]

Nah, Just a 6 speed shift Tremec ****. A skull would be cool though. The white is going pretty soon, I'm going back to blue. The vettes going to sport a new look in 2006.
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Old May 30, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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I was refering to the auto stick.
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 02:27 AM
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Dan, I used the S and P motor mounts so my ls1 sits back a little further then the origional location. I ran into three problems: 1, A/C, I used the S and P mounts and moved it up to the passanger side head. 2, Alternator location. I bought a corvette alt and P/S mount and put in on my Fbody LS1. 3, P/S pully, moving the P/S and alt to the vette configuration this caused the P/S pully to hit the driver's side A arm. I simply bought the S and P pully which is about 3 inches in dia smaller than OEM, gave me about an inch clearance for the a arm. Hope this helps...
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 10:21 PM
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Ok, I got the body on the chassis and I got some room to move the engine back 1.25" maybe more, still gotta put evap case in place to check. Still haven't got the 4L60 to put behind it either, need more time & energy. Time seems to be the biggest obsticle now. I will be needin a smaller p/s pulley for sure and if s&p has 3"dia smaller that'll be a big help. I'm really disappointed in gm's lack of forethaught in all this but if it were easy it would be boring and everybody would have one. Thanks
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