points to electronics conversion vs hei
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Burning Brakes
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points to electronics conversion vs hei
are the conversion kits for points to electronic ignition as good as hei? i dont know a whole lot about ignition, but from what i read it seems hei is basically an electronic ignition with the coil in the middle, does this mean it would perform as good as hei without having to actually use an hei? please explain it to me, thanks for the help
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by hubes
are the conversion kits for points to electronic ignition as good as hei? i dont know a whole lot about ignition, but from what i read it seems hei is basically an electronic ignition with the coil in the middle, does this mean it would perform as good as hei without having to actually use an hei? please explain it to me, thanks for the help
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by DJ Dep
Make sure you qualify ..."for the street" 
Dep
Dep
for anything! HEI is superior to a points set up period. street, drag, 302s...what ever
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Originally Posted by bobs77vet
for anything! HEI is superior to a points set up period. street, drag, 302s...what ever
HEI signs off at 6000RPM. Points can exceed that easily with the right set (Accel).
Don't make me call Lars in here!!!!!!
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by DJ Dep
HEI signs off at 6000RPM. Points can exceed that easily with the right set (Accel).
Don't make me call Lars in here!!!!!!
Dep
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Originally Posted by bobs77vet
well i wasn't thinking past 6000 rpm but any way there are better choices for distribuotrs past 6k then points....how many new high performance cars come with points???
HA! GOTCHA!!!!!!
There are more EXPENSIVE choices for HP distributors than a points setup, but I wouldn't label them as BETTER.
You weren't thinking about above 6000RPM yet you said "for anything! HEI is superior to a points set up period. street, drag, 302s"
Dep
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by DJ Dep
How many new high performance cars come with DISTRIBUTORS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
HA! GOTCHA!!!!!!
There are more EXPENSIVE choices for HP distributors than a points setup, but I wouldn't label them as BETTER.
You weren't thinking about above 6000RPM yet you said "for anything! HEI is superior to a points set up period. street, drag, 302s"
Dep
HA! GOTCHA!!!!!!
There are more EXPENSIVE choices for HP distributors than a points setup, but I wouldn't label them as BETTER.
You weren't thinking about above 6000RPM yet you said "for anything! HEI is superior to a points set up period. street, drag, 302s"
Dep
i would label them as better or they would be using points...as for this statement ...."You weren't thinking about above 6000RPM yet you said "for anything! HEI is superior to a points set up period. street, drag, 302s"
...what can i say...i guess i'll have to dig up an HEI clone that performs well over 6k....i think i'll go to some magazines and find some articles on MSD stuff...i'm sure you will accept those..
well heres one thats pretty fancy...and it does not have points....
http://www.msdignition.com/2005/2005_4.htm
and heres one good for over 9000 RPM
http://www.msdignition.com/dist_5.htm
check this one out....nope no points
http://www.msdignition.com/dist_74.htm
Last edited by bobs77vet; Jun 25, 2005 at 12:04 AM.
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
If you're gonna install a PERFORMANCE ignition, why go 1/2 way???
http://www.donzig.com/vertex.html
And the best thing is....they use points!!!
Dep
http://www.donzig.com/vertex.html
And the best thing is....they use points!!!
Dep
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From: Nova Scotia
Originally Posted by bobs77vet
well heres one thats pretty fancy...and it does not have points....
http://www.msdignition.com/2005/2005_4.htm
and heres one good for over 9000 RPM
http://www.msdignition.com/dist_5.htm
http://www.msdignition.com/2005/2005_4.htm
and heres one good for over 9000 RPM
http://www.msdignition.com/dist_5.htm
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Originally Posted by hubes
so what one of these is better?
You can get a plain old ordinary HEI ignition from a boneyard for cheap and have it rebuilt. Again...fine for picking up chicks and "normal" cruising.
Changing to a performance HEI (a waste of money IMHO) or MSD distributor is a major expense and step UP from any of that. And changing to a magneto is the ULTIMATE step up. All depends on what you are looking for.
Dep
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mostly street, occasionally taking it to the strip. but i cant afford junk, i want something good, msd makes good stuff so probably something from them. your saying that the msd hei is junk? what about that other gizmo there, the digital e curve? or is a regular ol billet distributor with a 6a box better? also, i know the hei wont work with the mechanical tach, but will the other ones? thanks for the help
btw, are those magnetos even better than msd stuff? if so how much do they cost?
btw, are those magnetos even better than msd stuff? if so how much do they cost?
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For occasional strip use on a fairly mild engine, you can go with an HEI from MSD or Accel or other makers.
MSD HEI is not junk. Just not what I would consider a performance distributor (and not worth what they charge for it). With HEI, just buy the most inexpensive one you can find from MSD, Accel, or whoever else makes them. Or you can use a stock Chevy HEI and have it rebuilt.
Billet stuff is for racing and is VERY pricey. Ditto for magnetos.
Unless you are doing SERIOUS racing, a regular HEI will work fine.
Dep
MSD HEI is not junk. Just not what I would consider a performance distributor (and not worth what they charge for it). With HEI, just buy the most inexpensive one you can find from MSD, Accel, or whoever else makes them. Or you can use a stock Chevy HEI and have it rebuilt.
Billet stuff is for racing and is VERY pricey. Ditto for magnetos.
Unless you are doing SERIOUS racing, a regular HEI will work fine.
Dep
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Originally Posted by hubes
mostly street, occasionally taking it to the strip. but i cant afford junk, i want something good, msd makes good stuff so probably something from them. your saying that the msd hei is junk? what about that other gizmo there, the digital e curve? or is a regular ol billet distributor with a 6a box better? also, i know the hei wont work with the mechanical tach, but will the other ones? thanks for the help
btw, are those magnetos even better than msd stuff? if so how much do they cost?
btw, are those magnetos even better than msd stuff? if so how much do they cost?
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I personally don't care for the conversion kits. Lars rebuilt mine back to points and it has never run better. I will fit a MSD setup on top of the points. If I didn't have a tach drive i would consider the GM HEI but I don't care to shell out $500 on a tach drive HEI distributor + wires etc. I know there are cheaper but for me I use the GM stuff where I can.
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by DJ Dep
......With HEI, just buy the most inexpensive one you can find from MSD, Accel, or whoever else makes them. Or you can use a stock Chevy HEI and have it rebuilt. .....
Billet stuff is for racing and is VERY pricey. Ditto for magnetos.
Unless you are doing SERIOUS racing, a regular HEI will work fine.
Dep
Billet stuff is for racing and is VERY pricey. Ditto for magnetos.
Unless you are doing SERIOUS racing, a regular HEI will work fine.
Dep
i knew if i waited long enough we could agree on something. i think any name brand (including GM) HEI set up will work fine for you.
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Originally Posted by hubes
so what one of these is better?
you could easily spend yourself out of reason here.....do you need Billet aluminum? do you have a tach drive distributor now? i'm guessing you do.... i would be looking at a name brand HEI with a tach drive gear. (you need to figure how you are going to drive your tach, or go to an electric tach)
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