C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Acceleration hesitation

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 07:04 AM
  #1  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default Acceleration hesitation

Alright I changed the accelerator pump, the old one actually looks like it was fine, oh well it has a new one now. Problem it still has a hesitation when you punch the gas. It's only like a half second hesitation, but it's not cool. Basically lets say your at a stop then just floor it. It'll climb up to about 1000rpm then drop down to about 800 for a second, then start accelerating like it should. Obviously getting lots of air and not enough fuel. Sounds like a typical accelerator pump issue, but that's new. It looks like there's plenty of fuel being spit in there, it seems like it does the hesitation at idle, even. I'll check in the morning, but I believe it has the hesitation w/o a load. Obviously something somewhere in the carb.

Electric choke q-jet for anyone curious.
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 07:54 AM
  #2  
Ganey's Avatar
Ganey
Race Director
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 1999
Posts: 11,520
Likes: 13
From: CORVETTE 77 385 C.I. TEXAS
Default

Check idle mixture carefully. Some hints:
W/ stock Q-J you can probably turn mixtures to highest idle w/o getting too rich. The idle passages can be drilled to non-emission, esp. w/ modified engines.
Accel. pump lever typically has 2 holes, try the other one.

See p.126-132 in Roe's book.

Last edited by Ganey; Jul 8, 2005 at 07:57 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 10:32 AM
  #3  
migraine99's Avatar
migraine99
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 141
Likes: 0
From: east providence ri
Default

I suspect it's timing.
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 10:53 AM
  #4  
Matt Gruber's Avatar
Matt Gruber
Race Director
Active Streak: 30 Days
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 15,036
Likes: 79
From: central FL, near the beach.
Default

foot problem?
see a podiatrist
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 11:00 AM
  #5  
SteveG75's Avatar
SteveG75
Race Director
Veteran: Navy
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 10,045
Likes: 675
From: FL
Default

Originally Posted by Kalway
Obviously getting lots of air and not enough fuel.
Have you checked the tension of the spring of the secondary air valve door? Since the Q-Jet does not have an accelerator pump on the secondary side, the correct tension on that spring is critical especially since the tQ-Jet is a mechanical seconday carb.

Sounds to me like the air valve may not have enough tension, thus it is just flopping open causing too much air. Easy 10 min check.

For more info, get Lars tuning paper at www.corvettefaq.com .
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 11:26 AM
  #6  
Chuck-75's Avatar
Chuck-75
Instructor
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 176
Likes: 0
From: Bakersfield CA.
Default

this might be yr last thing to check?, I recently pulled my gas tank and found that the fuel line was pinched under the gas tank strap.I was scraching my head for months because I was having the same problem as you.during aceleration I would get a stumble, I did the same as yrself. check timing,carb,idel mixture, look for vacum leaks Ect ect. but found this to be my problem.... and I only went this route because Im going to be installing a new engine and wanted to make sure the tank was clean... hope this helps ..
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 05:43 PM
  #7  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default

Originally Posted by Chuck-75
this might be yr last thing to check?, I recently pulled my gas tank and found that the fuel line was pinched under the gas tank strap.I was scraching my head for months because I was having the same problem as you.during aceleration I would get a stumble, I did the same as yrself. check timing,carb,idel mixture, look for vacum leaks Ect ect. but found this to be my problem.... and I only went this route because Im going to be installing a new engine and wanted to make sure the tank was clean... hope this helps ..
This would be a serious consideration, however, it didn't do this before I changed the carburetor and distributor. There was no hesitation prior to the swap.

Also the hesitation doesn't occur if I push the pedal extremely GENTLY. If I just slowly push it in and drive slower than a granny it won't do it. However if I rush it a fraction of an inch it'll do a slight hesitation then pick up and haul ***.

Last edited by Kalway; Jul 8, 2005 at 05:45 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 10:13 PM
  #8  
HDFLH67's Avatar
HDFLH67
Racer
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 294
Likes: 0
From: Rochester NY
Default

Mine turned out to be electrical; Accel coil, distributor cap, plugs and wires solved it for me!
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jul 9, 2005 | 12:14 AM
  #9  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default

Originally Posted by HDFLH67
Mine turned out to be electrical; Accel coil, distributor cap, plugs and wires solved it for me!
All of those are new, though.
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2005 | 12:36 AM
  #10  
MotorHead's Avatar
MotorHead
Race Director
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 17,676
Likes: 201
From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Default

Usually caused by a lean condition in the idle circult play with the idle mixture.
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2005 | 07:37 PM
  #11  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default

So basically twist a screw in? Erm I mean out. Out = rich and in = lean

Last edited by Kalway; Jul 9, 2005 at 07:44 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2005 | 11:19 PM
  #12  
sjr1971's Avatar
sjr1971
Racer
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 275
Likes: 6
From: NY
Default

Make sure your vacuum advance is plugged into the Passenger side vac port on the carb
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2005 | 06:32 PM
  #13  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default

Originally Posted by sjr1971
Make sure your vacuum advance is plugged into the Passenger side vac port on the carb
It is. I made sure of that right after I installed them.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2005 | 06:57 PM
  #14  
Rockn-Roll's Avatar
Rockn-Roll
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 3,407
Likes: 2
From: Carmichael CA
Default

Hmm...try hooking the accelerator pump rod running from the throttle linkage to the inner hole on the pump lever...the outer hole is for california cars and will indeed give you some hesitation. I think California law comes very close to saying that it's illegal to floor it from idle, which is why they require the outer pump connection because the hesitation isn't there unless you give it too much gas from idle.

Another thing that will give you some hesitation is the choke plate...make sure that it's not being sucked closed...make sure the throttle linkage is there to force the choke all the way open at WOT.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2005 | 07:01 PM
  #15  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default

Originally Posted by Rockn-Roll
Hmm...try hooking the accelerator pump rod running from the throttle linkage to the inner hole on the pump lever...the outer hole is for california cars and will indeed give you some hesitation. I think California law comes very close to saying that it's illegal to floor it from idle, which is why they require the outer pump connection because the hesitation isn't there unless you give it too much gas from idle.

Another thing that will give you some hesitation is the choke plate...make sure that it's not being sucked closed...make sure the throttle linkage is there to force the choke all the way open at WOT.
These are all external fixes, I'm guessing? I'm lazy and hate unscrewing things.

The inner hole... I'll go check that.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2005 | 07:19 PM
  #16  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default

It's on the inner hole. After tinkering with it and looking at my q-jet book it looks like the accelerator pump isn't shooting gas long enough. It's shooting a pure stream of fuel but it's only just a squirt. It looks like it needs to squirt just a hair bit more. When you hit the throttle it'll rev up at first then you'll hear it sucking air, which is when the engine drops RPMs, then it'll start revving like normal.

This have to do with the accelerator pump spring tension?
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 03:18 PM
  #17  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default



Still having issues. I've taken it apart and put it back together twice now and can't find the reason for it to bog. According to the Haynes book it says to adjust the accelerator pump shooters with really small drill bits ranging from .0135 to .04, in increments of .002. This would be a permanent modification to the carb and doesn't sound like it should be necessary. Lars isn't available till mid-september so I can't just send it to him and I need it to work before mid-august

Anyone got any other ideas?

By the way I don't have any problems with it started warm or cold. It's ONLY this problem.

Last edited by Kalway; Jul 17, 2005 at 03:27 PM.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Acceleration hesitation

Old Jul 17, 2005 | 06:33 PM
  #18  
Techno's Avatar
Techno
Drifting
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,469
Likes: 6
From: 68 427 4.11s Roadster
Default

There is another pump adjustment your missing. The arm that pushes on the plunger can be adjusted too. If its partially pushing the plunger down at rest/idle the stroke of the pump is reduced. This adjustment should be in the book or rebuild instructions. Basicly the end of the arm is bent up or down for this adjustment, I've forgotten but like a drill bit diameter between the arm and plunger.

It could be fuel delivery which you can check with the line going into a can for so many seconds. measure the amount. This is in the book.
Either crank it or run it on the fuel in the bowl. Plugged filter, if thats it then disconnecting prior in the above test won't show it, a new filter can be plugged.


The hole selections in the arm change the fulcrum and allow a short or long stroke.

Idle adjustment should be in the book too. open too much till idle drops, close for same affect then turn in so much for right amount.

While trouble shooting keep in mind that it may not be something you did- the recent work. It could be something that was due to happen and is a new problem. Would have happened anyway.
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 07:34 PM
  #19  
Kalway's Avatar
Kalway
Thread Starter
Safety Car
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,071
Likes: 0
From: San Diego CA
Default

It's seeming more and more like it's just running lean, obviously not rich because there isn't any soot. Also it got really warm on the freeway today, above 200 degrees according to the guage. The hesitation was much shorter and had a lot less of an effect at the higher temperatures. I'll make note to double check the filter. The line is brand new from Mid-America because I kinked the old one.

To give an idea as to why it feels like such an anomaly to me I'll give a little more info on the engine. It was "remanufactured" back in April, bored to a 355, I had this done by private shops since I don't have the equipment or space to preform such a task. The engine looks brand new with very little dirt even on it, the oil pan is a little dirty now of course. It has broken in nicely as it has about 3000 miles on it since the rebuild. Early last month I began to remove the computer controlled components from the engine. The carburetor and distributor were replaced with their non-computerized versions (M4ME instead of E4ME and vacuum advance HEI instead of computer advance). The cam is a moderate cam with 214/224 at .050. The ignition system is essentially all new. The bottom and top end are all new, with the exception being the intake manifold. So in essense we're talking about an engine that is almost all new. It still has the stock exhaust manifold and pipes, but with Dynomax Super Turbo mufflers (replaced those because I had no choice since the original ones literally fell off.)

Now here's why I only consider the carburetor and distributor to be the only places that could cause issue. There was no issue even close to this with the original system in place.

My question now is should I attempt to tune it to run slightly richer or adjust something else? Right now, restricting airflow is preventing the hesitation a bit more.
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 08:21 PM
  #20  
fast idle's Avatar
fast idle
Pro
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 570
Likes: 0
From: glace bay nova scotia
Default

you said new plugs, not bosch platinums or the like i hope
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:16 PM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE