Modified tie rods
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Melting Slicks
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Modified tie rods
I'm thinking I would like to try to make a modified tie rod. I have been reading that a good way to accomadate adjustments for bump steer is to make the inner end a clevis. Using some kind of attachment to the drag link so I could adjust the attachment point of the tie rod with a few washers. Any ideas.
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The only person I know of on this forum that has done what you thinking of if Norval, surely he can post/link some pix of what he did, I think his tir rods came out to 17" long, center to center/joints...
he moved the holes in the long link...
GENE
he moved the holes in the long link...
GENE
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Why use a tie rod?? Just use a rod end and a bolt, a 16 mm bolt. Use washers to get the thickness of the spacer that works for you then turn a solid piece and weld it to the steering arm. This makes a rigid platform for the 16mm bolt to pass through.
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Thanks Norval. I searched the archives and came on your thread about this. I am thinking of ordering an aluminium tie rod from speedway. Then using the tie rod end in the center and using your method for the steering arm end. ie: the rod end , spacer and bolt. Mind if I ask what length wour rods came out to. It would give me some where to start. I don't have the stock parts laying around.
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Greg
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Greg
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Very interesting...
I've thought about this as well, although not to the degree that Norval modified his. I'm not adverse to modifying mine, as long as it's bolt-on, like the spreader bar or electric fans. Didn't I see some shots of the drag-link that showed the modified mounting holes (further in-board and lower) for the new tie-rods? I might just try longer tie-rods and leave the rest alone, but it would require some study... What do you guys think?
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Originally Posted by panchop
Thanks Norval. I searched the archives and came on your thread about this. I am thinking of ordering an aluminium tie rod from speedway. Then using the tie rod end in the center and using your method for the steering arm end. ie: the rod end , spacer and bolt. Mind if I ask what length wour rods came out to. It would give me some where to start. I don't have the stock parts laying around.
Thanks
Greg
Thanks
Greg
I am only guessing but could check stock sleeves tonight but I think they are about 10 inches long. The out rod end would require another inch from the sleeve and that is counting on using the stock inner tie rod. You need about 11 inches for an sleeve but if you get one too long you can always cut/machine a bit off either end, they are threaded deep enough and some have the hex all the way along for a wrench.
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From: Waterloo ontario Canada
Originally Posted by Wrencher
I've thought about this as well, although not to the degree that Norval modified his. I'm not adverse to modifying mine, as long as it's bolt-on, like the spreader bar or electric fans. Didn't I see some shots of the drag-link that showed the modified mounting holes (further in-board and lower) for the new tie-rods? I might just try longer tie-rods and leave the rest alone, but it would require some study... What do you guys think?
Hans
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Got it. I'll measure the ones on my 65 this evening. order something about an inch longer and start there. One of my books " Chassis building for doorslamerrs " has a nice little bit on how to use a straight edge, couple plumb bobs and some graph paper to plot your bump steer and what the diferent curves indicate.
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Greg
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Greg
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Most often, outer studs are bought at Speedway Motors (look in the Circle Track racing section) the outer tie-rod ends are converted to PREMIUM spherical rod ends and the tie-rod height is changed at the steering knuckle at the spindle by using washers. Interesting soulution by our friend from the "Great White North" with their long Winter season.
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The studs are called adjustable tie rod ends. They are the same as the ones that come in the steeroids kit (steeroids uses a lot of speedwaymotors stuff, the sleeves are from them too and the rod ends and fasteners most likely also)
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Cool, I ordered the 11 inch aluminium tierods , a set of adapter studs and a set of Pro 5/8 rod ends with jam nuts and seals. Thats coming from speedway. from VBP I ordered a set of inner rod ends. Next week I'll be here asking more questions about bump steer with any luck.
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Greg
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Greg
