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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 09:32 PM
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What are the pro's and con's of Internally vs. Externally balanced engines?
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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Special balancers and flywheels are required.

the Later GM small blocks (86+) are externally balanced in the flywheel.
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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Is there any benefit to having one or the other?
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 09:42 PM
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Don't know. For me its a "be aware" thing.
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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Be aware?

OK....


Does any one else have any information?
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 10:11 PM
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there is no comparison internal balance hands down.
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Mouse doesnt it have to do with the stroke once it get to a point the weight has to be moved outside ?long time no talk what happened to Justin?
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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don't know what justins doing may be still scrathing his head looking
for the answer. the right way to balance a crank is internaly on the counter weights. to keep from spending money for new block
castings to clear bigger crank counter weights needed for long
strokes they took the cheap way out and added some balancing
in the flywheel and balancer, it works but not the best way to
balance a crank.

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Do the 383 I hear talked about use exterior balance?
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Originally Posted by dwncchs
Do the 383 I hear talked about use exterior balance?
Depends on how they're built. Traditional style, using an acutal SBC 400 crank, yes. Using an aftermarket stroker crank, it just depends on the crank. I have a forged steel SBC 400 crank set up for 5.7" rods for my 400 build, it's internally balanced. From what I understand internal is better for high revving engines.
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Originally Posted by Little Mouse
there is no comparison internal balance hands down.
Internal is the way to go. 383 kits are internal or external balance depending on what you order. Internal is definetly the higher quality option.
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Good info for the future-thanks
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Internal the only way to go. When I had my 383 built I shipped the flywheel/pressure plate/clutch to have them all balanced together, that's what the builder recommended for a performance set-up. No vibration issues.
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Agree,..go internally balanced if given a choice. Even 400 cranks and 454 cranks are being made for internally (neutral) balance.

Using the balancer and the flywheel to balance the crank is iffy business.

And if your engine builder doesn't ask for your flywheel and balancer (at least) when it's time to balance the engine,..find another builder.
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I don't really see the point in balancing an engine internally with the harmonic damper/flywheel and clutch in place.

I have my engines balanced internally without any of theese items, i usually use a fluiddamper anyway, and i have my clutch and flywheel balanced by themselves, that way i dont have to have it all rebalanced if i decide to add another flywheel/balancer or clutch.
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internally balanced is the way to go...there is less flex on the crank
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I didn`t get a big buck 383. The way I understand it is the rotating assembly is balanced and then you add the dampener and external balanced flexplate. Thats the way mine is and I believe most crate engines. I have no vibration issues.
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