C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Unsprung Weight Question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 10, 2006 | 03:36 PM
  #1  
flynhi's Avatar
flynhi
Thread Starter
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,273
Likes: 14
From: Austin TX
Default Unsprung Weight Question

BeeJay has just posted a thread indicating that the Wilwoods he installed are 44 lbs lighter than OE calipers.
With no other changes to his setup, how will he feel this lower unsprung weight? Will the ride be smoother due to less inertia at the axle resulting in quicker movement of the wheel or stiffer due to the same spring reacting to a lower weight?
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2006 | 03:47 PM
  #2  
panic's Avatar
panic
Team Owner
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 20,715
Likes: 25
From: Sorrento Italy
Default

Originally Posted by flynhi
BeeJay has just posted a thread indicating that the Wilwoods he installed are 44 lbs lighter than OE calipers.
With no other changes to his setup, how will he feel this lower unsprung weight? Will the ride be smoother due to less inertia at the axle resulting in quicker movement of the wheel or stiffer due to the same spring reacting to a lower weight?
i'm not a technician but just imagine having somebody to run with the only weight of shoes and socks and another running with shoes, socks and 5 kg attached to each foot, it's the same as running willwood and running oem calipers...
i have willwood superlight calipers all round and there is a massive unsprung weight saving there
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2006 | 04:15 PM
  #3  
turtlevette's Avatar
turtlevette
Melting Slicks
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,053
Likes: 4
St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Default

if you spend most of your time driving to the show n' shine and back, lower unsprung weight means nothing.

Better sealing calipers will make your life easier though, so there are benefits for all.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2006 | 04:20 PM
  #4  
mapman's Avatar
mapman
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 3,050
Likes: 124
From: Wichita KS
Default

Originally Posted by flynhi
... how will he feel this lower unsprung weight? Will the ride be smoother ...
The ride will be smoother. Force equals mass time acceleration. When the wheel/tire is deflected by a bump then the unsprung weight of the tire/wheel/brake/suspension components (mass) is accelerated into the sprung mass of the car. The less the unsprung mass is, the less the force is directed to the car (sprung mass). The less the force, the smoother the ride.

Conversely on a dip (or hole) a reduced mass will be accelerated more rapidly downward (by the force of the spring) keeping the tires in better contact with the ground.

Reducing the weight of the wheel/tire/brake disk has this effect also, but, in addition lighter weight wheel/tires/brake disks have less inertia to overcome and can accelerate the car faster.

If you are going to take weight off a car, the reducing the unsprung mass will have the greatest ride improvement effect with reducing the tire/wheel/brake disk gaining the most in performance.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2006 | 10:49 PM
  #5  
supercalvin's Avatar
supercalvin
Racer
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 435
Likes: 2
From: Boise Idaho
Default

Great explaination Mapman!!

I even understood that.

Are you a cartographer by any chance?
I studied Geography is why I ask.

Cheers
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2006 | 11:20 PM
  #6  
GrandSportC3's Avatar
GrandSportC3
Team Owner
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 182,997
Likes: 88
From: Lakeland, FL
Cruise-In IV-V-VI-VII-VIII Veteran
St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
Default

I have the Aerospace Components front drag brake kit (Van Steel sells those) and it took 56 lbs off the front of the car.
My best 60' time went from 1.531 down to 1.466. I'd guess that this is about a tenth of a second improvement on your 0 - 60 mph acceleration..
Reply
Old Sep 11, 2006 | 12:07 AM
  #7  
flynhi's Avatar
flynhi
Thread Starter
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,273
Likes: 14
From: Austin TX
Default

Thanks, Mapman.
Since the rotor is unsprung, How do I reduce it's weight econimically? Drilling doesn't seem to remove much weight. VBP's alum hub and disk are about the same weight as a GM rotor.
So, what are the options?
Reply
Old Sep 11, 2006 | 12:45 AM
  #8  
Bee Jay's Avatar
Bee Jay
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,961
Likes: 573
From: Lompoc, CA. Santa Barbara County
Default

Originally Posted by mapman
The ride will be smoother. Force equals mass time acceleration. When the wheel/tire is deflected by a bump then the unsprung weight of the tire/wheel/brake/suspension components (mass) is accelerated into the sprung mass of the car. The less the unsprung mass is, the less the force is directed to the car (sprung mass). The less the force, the smoother the ride.
I should have read this before driving the car. I still have a smooth ride for a sports car, I got that when I switched to a glass spring, but I feel more. It must be a stiffer ride because certain squeaks and rattles in my car are happening at lower speeds. Let me drive the car for a few more days, and I'll report on the ride again. But the immediate impression is that the car is more comunicative, as if someone bumped my tire pressure up about 30psi. And no kidding, I noticed it almost immediately.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Unsprung Weight Question

Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:44 AM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE