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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jdp6000
Seems like it. Again I'm guessing but I think low oil pressure is not the same as no signal at all. My sensor is brand new so its not malfuntioning. My ECM is also new. Try unplugging it see if it makes a difference.

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was the sensor expensive? how about the ecm? just in case.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 02:49 PM
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My car is an '84, but I believe they're similar, so I have a couple of disagreements here. The rear unit has the regulator, hence it is the fuel return line. The regulator bleeds off the pressure the pump tries to create, and the regulator has to have a low pressure place to dump the excess fuel (the fuel tank), rather than to the other injector.
Second, the oil pressure switch is a backup voltage supply to the fuel pump. The primary supply is the FPR that is switched by the ECM. Without the FPR, the engine would not start to fire until the engine was cranked long enough to generate sufficient oil pressure to cause the oil pressure switch to turn on.
So what do yo thnk the problem is? Fuel pump? ecm? oil pressure switch??
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 07:50 PM
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Sensor is available through GM, it was about $85. ECM was I believe $200 with exchange. NAPA carries them.

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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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FWIW I've unplugged mine aswell and the car continued to work. Just a guess but i think the oil pressure sensor has to send a signal of "0" oil pressure or a low number (what ever that may be) to shut the system down. Unplugging it doesn't do the same thing...no signal is sent.

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You didn't read my earlier post. The ECM is the primary enabling driver (switch) for the fuel pump relay (FPR). The oil pressure sensor switch is a (normally) redundant voltage supply to the FPR. As long as the ECM FPR driver IC is functional, the oil pressure sensor (OPS) switch is just dead weight. In the event that the ECM takes a significant internal dump, then some ECM backup circuitry will crudely control the injector pulsewidths, but will first rely on the OPS switch to turn on the FPR, enabling the fuel pump to turn on and pressurize the system. The OPS is a simple switch, and will only shut down the fuel system (under ECM failure mode) when oil pressure is not present.

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So what do yo thnk the problem is? Fuel pump? ecm? oil pressure switch??
First, I would recommend you take DWncchs' advice and get a repair manual to help diagnose the problem. This makes life so much easier, and helps explain the operation of the system.
Second, in the mean time, try to check for fuel pressure, either by hooking up a guage, or at the least, listen for pump noise coming out of the tank. Even with crappy fuel pressure the fuel should still dribble out of the injectors if the ECM is trying to switch the injector solenoids. As long as the engine is being cranked, the distributor will send the engine rotation signal to the ECM, and the ECM will toggle the injectors.
ECM? Possible, but rarely the problem. These are designed to take a lot of electrical abuse, whether from normal operation, or from careless hands. I don't recall reading that you did anything terribly abusive. Just check that you have all your connections snug, and that you are getting 12 volts to the ECM and to BOTH sides of the injector connection during non-cranking conditions. If you don't have the 12 volts at all four injector pins, then something is wrong. (You can manually trigger the injectors by hooking a 4-6 ohm resistance to the ECM side of the injector, but that's kind of an advanced diagnostic trick that I would recommend only if you are comfortable working with ECMs.)
Oil pressure switch? No.

Good luck, and keep us posted.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 69427
First, I would recommend you take DWncchs' advice and get a repair manual to help diagnose the problem. This makes life so much easier, and helps explain the operation of the system.
Second, in the mean time, try to check for fuel pressure, either by hooking up a guage, or at the least, listen for pump noise coming out of the tank. Even with crappy fuel pressure the fuel should still dribble out of the injectors if the ECM is trying to switch the injector solenoids. As long as the engine is being cranked, the distributor will send the engine rotation signal to the ECM, and the ECM will toggle the injectors.
ECM? Possible, but rarely the problem. These are designed to take a lot of electrical abuse, whether from normal operation, or from careless hands. I don't recall reading that you did anything terribly abusive. Just check that you have all your connections snug, and that you are getting 12 volts to the ECM and to BOTH sides of the injector connection during non-cranking conditions. If you don't have the 12 volts at all four injector pins, then something is wrong. (You can manually trigger the injectors by hooking a 4-6 ohm resistance to the ECM side of the injector, but that's kind of an advanced diagnostic trick that I would recommend only if you are comfortable working with ECMs.)
Oil pressure switch? No.

Good luck, and keep us posted.
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Thanks, I found out what the problem was and It makes me both happy and mad. Mad because I was a idiot and spent $200 for a injector i did'nt need. Happy because i found the problem. The injector fuses looked ok but under further inspection they had a little corrosion on them so i replaced them and she started right up!! I could'nt believe it!! It is running a little rough and cuts out on the road when I floor it. I hope it's just needing the plugs replaced or something now.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kev82vette
Thanks, I found out what the problem was and It makes me both happy and mad. Mad because I was a idiot and spent $200 for a injector i did'nt need. Happy because i found the problem. The injector fuses looked ok but under further inspection they had a little corrosion on them so i replaced them and she started right up!! I could'nt believe it!! It is running a little rough and cuts out on the road when I floor it. I hope it's just needing the plugs replaced or something now.
Could still be fuel related. The problem when other people do things before you buy a car is you still never know. Is the pump working? Is the filter good? Is the fuel pump sock new?

Anyway you can check the fuel pressure? You can replace the fuel betwwen TBI's with a braided one and insert a fuel pressure guage. Or Take it to a shop and have them check it. You need to out rule fuel pressure as being the problem.

The other thing could be the TPS. You have a meter now. Instructions on how to set it at the other side.

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Old Oct 28, 2006 | 12:48 AM
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I would blame the computer yet.Make sure you have fuel in the tank,use a flashlight and NOT a 110 volt droplamp.The 82 was bad for the gauge going bad and the pump itself.When you turn the key on does the injector spray for a second or two?Let me warn you up front my help to you will be limited,I usually refer to the 82 manual and go though GMs procedures.Hopefully some more knowledgable guys will chime in.
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YEAH...I lived that nightmare too!! Thinking that my injectors were going bad, maybe needing a tune -up...come to find out I was out of gas . My gas tank sending unit gauge would quit after a half tank of gas, so I would be empty but according to my dummy (now I see why they call it that) gauge I was at a half tank . I was ready to write Congress and let them know I was getting the greatest gas mileage ever.....till I ran out of gas .....check that fuel!!
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Originally Posted by Kev82vette
Thanks, I found out what the problem was and It makes me both happy and mad. Mad because I was a idiot and spent $200 for a injector i did'nt need. Happy because i found the problem. The injector fuses looked ok but under further inspection they had a little corrosion on them so i replaced them and she started right up!! I could'nt believe it!! It is running a little rough and cuts out on the road when I floor it. I hope it's just needing the plugs replaced or something now.
Kevin here is a manual that many of us have.I realize its another $100 but linked it up with the guys here on the forum you would get a great return on your money.When you have a future problem(and you will)we could all be on the "same page" when we try to help you.I guarantee you the procedure in the book would have led "you" to that corroded fuse and if not it would have got you close and "we" could have taken you the rest of the way.
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I have that great book. Picked it up on Ebay...$30. Try there too.

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